easyjet pilots to strike??
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How can you take so much hassle ? 5 days ON 3 days OFF is already way too heavy...Normal should be 4 ON 3 OFF which is fine as long as you don't fly too many legs each day.
Your conditions are the worst in Europe for this business (not considering business operations).
Keep courage and fight. Really !
If you don't react just out of fear of losing passengers, management will understand they can use this type of blackmail any time in the future. You will then think it is better to strike a bit early than striking really hard later on.
Your conditions are the worst in Europe for this business (not considering business operations).
Keep courage and fight. Really !
If you don't react just out of fear of losing passengers, management will understand they can use this type of blackmail any time in the future. You will then think it is better to strike a bit early than striking really hard later on.
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Nick Watts was a big loss to KLMuk when he departed to GO several years ago.
I can fully understand the pilots dissapointment at Nick's resignation from Easyjet.
Why can senior managers not recognise the qualities of such people and do everything (reasonably) within their powers to retain them?
No doubt there is an airline somewhere just about to gain from the qualities that Nick can bring to the job.
I can fully understand the pilots dissapointment at Nick's resignation from Easyjet.
Why can senior managers not recognise the qualities of such people and do everything (reasonably) within their powers to retain them?
No doubt there is an airline somewhere just about to gain from the qualities that Nick can bring to the job.
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Most readers of this forum are not likely to know the answer are they.
If you REALLY want to know how many have resigned why on earth do you chose to ask the question in this public forum?
You are far more likely to find out this info on either the private forum, the EZ Balpa website or back in the crewroom itself.
Maybe you are just headline seeking.
If you REALLY want to know how many have resigned why on earth do you chose to ask the question in this public forum?
You are far more likely to find out this info on either the private forum, the EZ Balpa website or back in the crewroom itself.
Maybe you are just headline seeking.
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EASY PILOTS DO NOT WORK 5 ON 3 OFF!!!!
We work 6 on 3 off and frequently that becomes 7 on 2 off with the use of a 'flexiday' affecting early starts or late finishes on the first or last of the three days ' off '.
The company want to take away the 6 on 3 off ' because it is not flexible enough'. Which means that 7 on 2 off will become the norm.
In spite of this the Easy pilots fly nowhere near the 900 hrs limit because we are rostered so inefficiently. So duty hours are way up but flying hours are not (in general).
Most pilots like pilots anywhere are happy to work longer more productive days but ONLY if we are given more days off in return.
Apparently that's much too tricky!
We work 6 on 3 off and frequently that becomes 7 on 2 off with the use of a 'flexiday' affecting early starts or late finishes on the first or last of the three days ' off '.
The company want to take away the 6 on 3 off ' because it is not flexible enough'. Which means that 7 on 2 off will become the norm.
In spite of this the Easy pilots fly nowhere near the 900 hrs limit because we are rostered so inefficiently. So duty hours are way up but flying hours are not (in general).
Most pilots like pilots anywhere are happy to work longer more productive days but ONLY if we are given more days off in return.
Apparently that's much too tricky!
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Brown,
IM interested in what Northern has to say{if you dont mind laddie}.
I leave the hype and bs to the gay guys and girls in the shed!
IM interested in what Northern has to say{if you dont mind laddie}.
I leave the hype and bs to the gay guys and girls in the shed!
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I'd prefer to sit in a 737 than wait for BE to go broke. At least you are gaining experience that will help you get into a decent outfit in the future.
Same as you stay at easy rather than quit on principle really.
I am eternally optimistic that things will improve, although not without a big shove from us it seems.
I will be ready to put the park brake on.
NG
Same as you stay at easy rather than quit on principle really.
I am eternally optimistic that things will improve, although not without a big shove from us it seems.
I will be ready to put the park brake on.
NG
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If George W goes to war a lot of airlines are gong to hit the buffers not just MYT and Easy. I hate to say it but I think our industry is in for a very bad year. Many of us will find ourselves on the street I fear! Frankly this is no time for a strike.
Easy are indeed entering a battle with the charters and BA they won't win in the long run. I hope they go back to what they are best at before it is too late.
As for Ryanair I would not fly as a passenger on one of their aircraft, I have already seen more than enough of their operation to make me uneasy. I suspect it is only a matter of time before they land themselves in trouble by playing fast and lose with the rules.
If George W goes to war a lot of airlines are gong to hit the buffers not just MYT and Easy. I hate to say it but I think our industry is in for a very bad year. Many of us will find ourselves on the street I fear! Frankly this is no time for a strike.
Easy are indeed entering a battle with the charters and BA they won't win in the long run. I hope they go back to what they are best at before it is too late.
As for Ryanair I would not fly as a passenger on one of their aircraft, I have already seen more than enough of their operation to make me uneasy. I suspect it is only a matter of time before they land themselves in trouble by playing fast and lose with the rules.
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Kinsman,
I dont remember easy doing badly out on 9/11 do you.
Mmmmm Virgin ,sabena,swissair,all in a mess.
We picked up a lot of pilots from that!
I disagree{of course}.
We need a real 5 year deal in place.
Thats good for both easy and ourselves in the long run.
By the way!
I fly ryanair a lot.
Nothing wrong there!
I dont remember easy doing badly out on 9/11 do you.
Mmmmm Virgin ,sabena,swissair,all in a mess.
We picked up a lot of pilots from that!
I disagree{of course}.
We need a real 5 year deal in place.
Thats good for both easy and ourselves in the long run.
By the way!
I fly ryanair a lot.
Nothing wrong there!
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Rumour on the Streets Of 'Stortford, is that the new Crewing manager , is the Rostering Guru JS (from Luton of course) , famed for last summers fantastic rosters and their almost total meltdown.
Clue?.... When is your next SIM M Session!
Clue?.... When is your next SIM M Session!
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Easy did very well after 9/11 but as a week is a long time in politics, it can be a life time in aviation! The history of aviation is full of failed airlines that were once the darlings of the city!
MYT/Airtours were not that long ago seen as a rock solid charter company with a soaring share price and a Midas touch, now look at us!
Easy are challenging the big boys in their own back yard and have it seems abandoned the low cost model that has worked so well for them so far! I hope they prove the exception to the rule and succeed where others have failed but all the signs are there that they may not. I hope you get a good deal but beware of strikes, they can destroy a good company.
As for Ryanair, time will tell.
Easy did very well after 9/11 but as a week is a long time in politics, it can be a life time in aviation! The history of aviation is full of failed airlines that were once the darlings of the city!
MYT/Airtours were not that long ago seen as a rock solid charter company with a soaring share price and a Midas touch, now look at us!
Easy are challenging the big boys in their own back yard and have it seems abandoned the low cost model that has worked so well for them so far! I hope they prove the exception to the rule and succeed where others have failed but all the signs are there that they may not. I hope you get a good deal but beware of strikes, they can destroy a good company.
As for Ryanair, time will tell.
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Impact on the company's image is the whole point in striking...There is always a good reason not to strike which is risk for the company. Following that, you will never go on strike and will always get s*****ed by management telling you you are putting the company at risk. Your conditions will take a dive over the years and, say 5 years down the road, the slope will be too steep for you to get back to normal conditions.
When I read pilots at EZ go on a 7 ON 2 OFF pace, I feel there's much more danger ahead. At 50, you will be dead or really hurt.
For you own sake and for the sake of pilots in the entire industry, just don't let management mess with you. We surely don't allow that in Germany and our conditions are good. Not that we make more money than you, I think we are roughly on par. It's just that we get so much less hassle for the same money. And we're staying fit, we have time for our families, hobbies, etc...There seems to be such a discrepancy between you at EZ and pilots at all other relevant airlines in Europe.
When I read pilots at EZ go on a 7 ON 2 OFF pace, I feel there's much more danger ahead. At 50, you will be dead or really hurt.
For you own sake and for the sake of pilots in the entire industry, just don't let management mess with you. We surely don't allow that in Germany and our conditions are good. Not that we make more money than you, I think we are roughly on par. It's just that we get so much less hassle for the same money. And we're staying fit, we have time for our families, hobbies, etc...There seems to be such a discrepancy between you at EZ and pilots at all other relevant airlines in Europe.