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Tight Slot,
As a Glasgow Rangers fan and as a Scotsman, your comments are welcome.
However, maybe it's time that 'The Sweeney' woke uo and realised that this is the first recorded time that Scots' fans have cause trouble abroad.
What about you English lot? The Scots', Welsh & Irish are tired of being grouped with you lot!
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As a Glasgow Rangers fan and as a Scotsman, your comments are welcome.
However, maybe it's time that 'The Sweeney' woke uo and realised that this is the first recorded time that Scots' fans have cause trouble abroad.
What about you English lot? The Scots', Welsh & Irish are tired of being grouped with you lot!
Edited once again for unnecessary language
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As a Celtic season ticket holder I thought you might like to see a mail from a Celtic mailing list which gives another viewpoint.........
My pal was on the flight and the story, from his point of view, is this ....
Two mincing male stewards were really pissed off at having the pish ripped
oot of them when they were doing the safety demo at the start of the flight.
Some idiot was caught smoking in the toilet and a "heated" argument started.
Nothing else was said but the stewards obviously over reacted with the story
that's been passed to the pilot. No announcement was made and suddenly the
seatbelt signs came on and the flight descended into Cardiff.
Dozens of cops in the airport then came on the flight where they were met by
every passenger sitting doon and wondering what the **** was happening.
Not quite the "riot" headlines and "major incident" every ****er seems to
want to make this out to be.
More like a seriously inexperienced airline crew.
My pal was on the flight and the story, from his point of view, is this ....
Two mincing male stewards were really pissed off at having the pish ripped
oot of them when they were doing the safety demo at the start of the flight.
Some idiot was caught smoking in the toilet and a "heated" argument started.
Nothing else was said but the stewards obviously over reacted with the story
that's been passed to the pilot. No announcement was made and suddenly the
seatbelt signs came on and the flight descended into Cardiff.
Dozens of cops in the airport then came on the flight where they were met by
every passenger sitting doon and wondering what the **** was happening.
Not quite the "riot" headlines and "major incident" every ****er seems to
want to make this out to be.
More like a seriously inexperienced airline crew.
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MOL,
Interesting, and somewhat insulting perspective. I suppose once again that degenerating into abuse is deemed ok, and is indicitave of the sort of attitude that our crew had to deal with. The facts are that it was the female Senior Cabin Crew Member who was assaulted and who reported the status to the captain. The South Wales police, and the ambulence team who treated the Cabin Crew member concerned have filed their reports. Our view, as a company, stands. Neither our crew, nor the remaining passengers should have been put into this dangerous situation by the behaviour of a small mindless group. They will, I'm sure, receive the punishment they deserve.
Tightslot,
Our commercial department did a superb job tonight to look after our customers. We have operated a significant number of football charters since we started in April, and will operate many more. The view of our Commercial Department, shared by the rest of us in the company, is that we will not punish the vast majority of football fans who want an enjoyable trip away supporting their club, just because of the mindless few who we experienced tonight.
H
Interesting, and somewhat insulting perspective. I suppose once again that degenerating into abuse is deemed ok, and is indicitave of the sort of attitude that our crew had to deal with. The facts are that it was the female Senior Cabin Crew Member who was assaulted and who reported the status to the captain. The South Wales police, and the ambulence team who treated the Cabin Crew member concerned have filed their reports. Our view, as a company, stands. Neither our crew, nor the remaining passengers should have been put into this dangerous situation by the behaviour of a small mindless group. They will, I'm sure, receive the punishment they deserve.
Tightslot,
Our commercial department did a superb job tonight to look after our customers. We have operated a significant number of football charters since we started in April, and will operate many more. The view of our Commercial Department, shared by the rest of us in the company, is that we will not punish the vast majority of football fans who want an enjoyable trip away supporting their club, just because of the mindless few who we experienced tonight.
H
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MOL you just don't get it do you? Smoking in the toilet is seriously bloody dangerous - aircraft are not coaches my friend, they cannot be just stopped and disembarked if it all starts going wrong - and how would your 'friends' have reacted if, having ignored the safety demonstration in favour of a little laugh at the flight attendants expense, they had to evacuate in a hurry - don't tell me the answer .. I already know it.
We in the airline industy are heartily sick of the childish, brainless oiks who think it's funny to 'mix it' a little and as a consequence threaten safety and frighten the wits out of proper passengers.
Grow up or walk there - we don't want you.
We in the airline industy are heartily sick of the childish, brainless oiks who think it's funny to 'mix it' a little and as a consequence threaten safety and frighten the wits out of proper passengers.
Grow up or walk there - we don't want you.
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Hamrah & Earthmover -
If you read my post carefully I was forwarding a diferent view - supposedly from a passenger and I clearly said this. I never gave my opinion.
For what its worth if anybody smoked or caused hassle they should be justly punished. I was imply trying to make you aware that there is a totally different story doing the rounds.
My on view is that the truth may lie somewhere in the middle. Hassle and trouble - yes - with perhaps some over-reaction.
And Earthmover I found your post quite insulting.
If you read my post carefully I was forwarding a diferent view - supposedly from a passenger and I clearly said this. I never gave my opinion.
For what its worth if anybody smoked or caused hassle they should be justly punished. I was imply trying to make you aware that there is a totally different story doing the rounds.
My on view is that the truth may lie somewhere in the middle. Hassle and trouble - yes - with perhaps some over-reaction.
And Earthmover I found your post quite insulting.
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MOL,
Thanks for the clarification. In future if you use the
facility, we will be able to determine which bits of your post are your opinions and which are not.
Notwithstanding the above, my view, and that of my airline, my fellow directors, my crew , and the South Wales Police is that this was a serious incident. If it was as suggested by whoever sent you the message you quote, I wonder why 6 people are in custody tonight in Cardiff. I should'nt have to show the photographic evidence of our crew members' injury (taken for evidence by the police) to prove the seriousness of the assault.
Not much middle ground I'm afraid.
H
Thanks for the clarification. In future if you use the
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Notwithstanding the above, my view, and that of my airline, my fellow directors, my crew , and the South Wales Police is that this was a serious incident. If it was as suggested by whoever sent you the message you quote, I wonder why 6 people are in custody tonight in Cardiff. I should'nt have to show the photographic evidence of our crew members' injury (taken for evidence by the police) to prove the seriousness of the assault.
Not much middle ground I'm afraid.
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I'm sorry MOL, but airing that sort of opinion here will do you no good at all. You say that it isn't your opinion, but it surely seems so to me........and many others.
The Astraeus Captain did what HE thought was the correct thing, at the correct time, according to what was happening on HIS aeroplane.PERIOD.
If you don't agree, button it.
Good night.
The Astraeus Captain did what HE thought was the correct thing, at the correct time, according to what was happening on HIS aeroplane.PERIOD.
If you don't agree, button it.
Good night.
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MOL, Look, I don't want to get into one of the slanging matches that go on here so often, neither do I want to be 'insulting' - but people have to realise that there is no such thing as 'over-reacting' to any threat - or potential threat - on an airliner. You may think an incident is 'minor', but we don't - and neither does the legislation. As the events of last year showed, airliners are very, very vulnerable and the law of the air now takes any unruliness, abuse or threat terribly seriously. You probably haven't, as I have, been encased in an aluminium tube with a bunch of really nasty individuals, bent on making life hell for all on board. I include in my description of 'brainless oiks' (for which I don't apologise) a group of medical Doctors on a weekend spree who, to the utter shame of their profession, sexually harrassed the Cabin Crew, petrified the other passengers and junked the interior of our aircraft - it cost £3000 to restore. (They had to find their own way home by sea - no other carrier would take them)
Flying is a serious business - we have moved into a new era where if people want to fly, then they must behave properly or go to jail. We won't tolerate safety being compromised in any way whatever - end of story.
Flying is a serious business - we have moved into a new era where if people want to fly, then they must behave properly or go to jail. We won't tolerate safety being compromised in any way whatever - end of story.
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Flying is a serious business - we have moved into a new era where if people want to fly, then they must behave properly or go to jail. We won't tolerate safety being compromised in any way whatever - end of story.
Spot on, Earthmover. Ought to put this in large print at every portal.
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Chiglet and Out of Trim , all SAR, irrespective of location, is coordinated from ARCC based at RAF Kinloss hence the references
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W.r.t the comment above, i.e.. 'A seriously inexperienced crew'..........
It would be interesting to compare the crew’s level of aeronautical experience ( one would imagine that it’s 'years' ) with that of the folks involved in this 'fracas' and / or of those making comments of this nature.
For all manner of reasons Captains are typically loathe to shout “Mayday”, however when they do it’s usually because they genuinely believe that the vessel requires immediate assistance as the occupants therein are in peril of their lives.
Accordingly, whatever happened onboard flight AEU308 must indeed have been pretty bad that it required this level of urgency.
Of course one can be quite sure that, once parked upon the ramp at Cardiff airport, the perpetrators were only to keen to suggest that there had been ‘an over-reaction’ – after all, as a result of their actions one would imagine that they’re almost certainly looking at jail sentences – and so perhaps it’s very much a case of “Well, they would say that, wouldn’t they !”
Verbal or physical assaults upon the crew of any public transport vehicle are completely repugnant and as such we can be thankful that our judiciary are stamping down hard on the perpetrators.
Ps. Earthmover, w.r.t. 'Flying is a serious business...' - well said !
It would be interesting to compare the crew’s level of aeronautical experience ( one would imagine that it’s 'years' ) with that of the folks involved in this 'fracas' and / or of those making comments of this nature.
For all manner of reasons Captains are typically loathe to shout “Mayday”, however when they do it’s usually because they genuinely believe that the vessel requires immediate assistance as the occupants therein are in peril of their lives.
Accordingly, whatever happened onboard flight AEU308 must indeed have been pretty bad that it required this level of urgency.
Of course one can be quite sure that, once parked upon the ramp at Cardiff airport, the perpetrators were only to keen to suggest that there had been ‘an over-reaction’ – after all, as a result of their actions one would imagine that they’re almost certainly looking at jail sentences – and so perhaps it’s very much a case of “Well, they would say that, wouldn’t they !”
Verbal or physical assaults upon the crew of any public transport vehicle are completely repugnant and as such we can be thankful that our judiciary are stamping down hard on the perpetrators.
Ps. Earthmover, w.r.t. 'Flying is a serious business...' - well said !
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The morning news is still carrying this. It seems given a 140 supporters the captain was left with litle option. His worst case scenario was that this situation erupted further. Better to have cards in hand than be seeking a fast deal.
I am sure that the various support agencies welcomed the opportunity to live-time no-notice evaluate the new measures [police, airfield fire and rescue, SAR, media etc] on an incident like this [no loss of life or equipment] rather than find problems win an incident where it was more critical.
The wash up I should have thought will praise the crew.
I am sure that the various support agencies welcomed the opportunity to live-time no-notice evaluate the new measures [police, airfield fire and rescue, SAR, media etc] on an incident like this [no loss of life or equipment] rather than find problems win an incident where it was more critical.
The wash up I should have thought will praise the crew.
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MOL
Of course your friend 's views are interesting.
However, the informed report from a senior member of management of the airline, who had spoken with crew and police seems a little more reliable. Don't you think.
Afterthough. As a new poster you may not know who Hamrah is. Worth you finding out.
Of course your friend 's views are interesting.
However, the informed report from a senior member of management of the airline, who had spoken with crew and police seems a little more reliable. Don't you think.
Afterthough. As a new poster you may not know who Hamrah is. Worth you finding out.
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I can't believe that there is ANYONE at all that doubts that this was a justified emergency, or even mentioning the words Over-Reaction.
Is there a captain amongst you that wouldn't have landed immediately if there was just a hint of World War 3 behind your door?
Grow up doubters. When you're a captain you see things differently because your ass is so much more sensitive than anyone else's.
one four sick
Is there a captain amongst you that wouldn't have landed immediately if there was just a hint of World War 3 behind your door?
Grow up doubters. When you're a captain you see things differently because your ass is so much more sensitive than anyone else's.
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They've just had a number of interviews ith Celtic fhns who were on the plane on Talksport this morning. Every one of them said that there was NO sign of any disturbance on the plane but that somebody did smoke in the loo. They said the staf were ignorant on th eplane. they had engine trouble on the way out (2 hr delay) and on the way back they had to eave the plane because of problems. One fella siad he heard that somebody had poked a hostess in the back with his finger. There was no announcement and they were still eating with tables down when
staff started running around trying to clear tables. They suddenly went downwards to land.
The police were there and took statements. The police also said to some of them that they were embarrassed at the statements because the passangers were all saying that nothing had happened on the plane.
There have been a number of people on Talksport 1089 mw (or go to www.talksport.net). It will be on for another couple of hours - and all are saying the same thing. Talksport are now saying that the fans stories appear to be correct and very little had happened - certainly no fighting of any sort.
At this stage I have heard a number of live interviews with articulate passengers and they are all saying the same thing.
There is something not adding up in all this.
Finally to the poster who said I should find out who Hamrah is - why ? Am I not allowed post a different viewpoint?
staff started running around trying to clear tables. They suddenly went downwards to land.
The police were there and took statements. The police also said to some of them that they were embarrassed at the statements because the passangers were all saying that nothing had happened on the plane.
There have been a number of people on Talksport 1089 mw (or go to www.talksport.net). It will be on for another couple of hours - and all are saying the same thing. Talksport are now saying that the fans stories appear to be correct and very little had happened - certainly no fighting of any sort.
At this stage I have heard a number of live interviews with articulate passengers and they are all saying the same thing.
There is something not adding up in all this.
Finally to the poster who said I should find out who Hamrah is - why ? Am I not allowed post a different viewpoint?
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I think I’m safe in proposing that most decent civilised passengers have no difficulty with the concept of safety and security on board an aircraft, and the duty and responsibility of the Captain to demand reasonable behaviour with the full backing of HM Government.
For those who think this is a bit of an over reaction, and what’s wrong with a few lads getting a bit tasty for a bit of a laugh, I shall refer you to the points of UK legislation that you are about to breach. The UK Air Navigation Order (2000) states:
Article 63
A person shall not recklessly or negligently act in a manner likely to endanger an aircraft, or any person therein.
Article 65
A person shall not enter any aircraft when drunk, or be drunk in any aircraft.
Article 66
A person shall not smoke in any compartment of an aircraft registered in the UK at a time when smoking is prohibited in that compartment by a notice to that effect exhibited by or on behalf of the commander of the aircraft. (Can only be committed on a UK registered aircraft.)
Article 67
Every person in an aircraft registered in the UK shall obey all lawful commands which the commander of that aircraft may give for the purpose of securing the safety of the aircraft and of persons or property carried therein, or the safety, efficiency or regularity of air navigation.
Article 68
No person shall while in an aircraft:
Use any threatening, abusive or insulting words towards a member of the crew of the aircraft;
Behave in a threatening, abusive, insulting or disorderly manner towards a member of the crew of an aircraft; or
Intentionally interfere with the performance, by a member of crew of the aircraft, of his duties.
I can’t believe that anyone would even have to study the finer points of law to adjust their behaviour on board, suffice to say that if you were on my aeroplane I would have done precisely the same as my professional peer did yesterday. I fully support his actions to protect the safety of his aircraft and the safety of its occupants. If I were to have done anything differently, I would have diverted to France, where the CRS have a different way of dealing with hooligans.
For those who think this is a bit of an over reaction, and what’s wrong with a few lads getting a bit tasty for a bit of a laugh, I shall refer you to the points of UK legislation that you are about to breach. The UK Air Navigation Order (2000) states:
Article 63
A person shall not recklessly or negligently act in a manner likely to endanger an aircraft, or any person therein.
Article 65
A person shall not enter any aircraft when drunk, or be drunk in any aircraft.
Article 66
A person shall not smoke in any compartment of an aircraft registered in the UK at a time when smoking is prohibited in that compartment by a notice to that effect exhibited by or on behalf of the commander of the aircraft. (Can only be committed on a UK registered aircraft.)
Article 67
Every person in an aircraft registered in the UK shall obey all lawful commands which the commander of that aircraft may give for the purpose of securing the safety of the aircraft and of persons or property carried therein, or the safety, efficiency or regularity of air navigation.
Article 68
No person shall while in an aircraft:
Use any threatening, abusive or insulting words towards a member of the crew of the aircraft;
Behave in a threatening, abusive, insulting or disorderly manner towards a member of the crew of an aircraft; or
Intentionally interfere with the performance, by a member of crew of the aircraft, of his duties.
I can’t believe that anyone would even have to study the finer points of law to adjust their behaviour on board, suffice to say that if you were on my aeroplane I would have done precisely the same as my professional peer did yesterday. I fully support his actions to protect the safety of his aircraft and the safety of its occupants. If I were to have done anything differently, I would have diverted to France, where the CRS have a different way of dealing with hooligans.
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The following is from somebody who was on the flight - surely even you guys can see something is not right here :-
Hello
Wanting to put this on as many sites as possible - to let people know
the truth.
First of all, having just got back home within the last 10 minutes I am
disgusted and what the papers are printing regarding this.
The average age on the plane was probably mid forties, a few kids,
women, OAPs - this was not a plane load of young hardmen.
On leaving Glasgow on Thursday morning we were all sitting on the plane,
engines going, leaving the stand. The engines stopped and we were taken
back to the stand - we were told there was a slight techinical problem
with one of the engines. Engineers etc came on and off the plane and
after about an hour be were told the plane was ready to go.
Engines going, leavign the stand, the engines stopped and we were taken
back to the stand again - told there was a slight techinical problem
with one of the engines. Engineers etc came on and off the plane and
after about an hour we were told the plane was ready to go.
Uneventful flight - bit of banter with cabin crew, all smiles nae
problems.
Friday morning - we were all sitting on the plane, engines going,
leaving the stand. The engines stopped and we were taken back to the
stand - we were told there was a slight techinical problem with one of
the engines. Engineers etc came on and off the plane and we were told to
get off the plane. No probems and after about two hours be were told the
plane was ready to go, everyone got back on the plane - again no
problems.
Given that we had now suffered three "engine failures" everyone was a
bit nervous about getting back on the plane but eventually we took off.
There was no drink on the plane and a few people had had a few beers
during the two hour delay but nobody was drunk.
I've been on loads of these charters and, given the result, I can say
that in terms of singing and shouting this was one of the quietest
charters I have ever been on. General atmosphere was summed up by a
rendition of YMCA when the cabin crew were doing the safety announcement
- cabin crew laughed, we laughed nae hassle.
About one hour into the flight the pilot announced that someone had been
smoking in the toilets and that the police had been called and we would
all be detained at Glasgow until the person owned up. A young boy,
probably about 18, was accused of being responsible - two guys sitting
across the aisle said he should grow up and take responsibility. A few
voices were raised but NOBODY left their seat - the argument lasted
about 3 minutes and nobody (cabin crew etc included) interveined. The
two guys who argued with the young boy were later arrested and as I was
sitting behind them I would be willing to stand up in court and say they
did nothing more than raise their voice - because that is the truth.
During this the cabin crew were collecting the trays from lunch - a
woman, probably in her 40/50s, there with her daughter asked one of the
stewardesses if anyone had owned up to the smoking as she didn't want to
be delayed at Glasgow Airport. The stewardess, pointing her finger at
the woman said that an attitude like hers would lead her to get arrested
as well. A guy, sitting behind the woman then tapped the stewardesses
shoulder and said that there was no need for that sort of threats the
woman was only asking a question.
Then all hell broke lose - one of the stewards went running into the
pilots cabin, came running back out and then, in a blind panic, started
frantically collecting the remaining trays. The cabin crew were running
about the plane with trollies etc nearly hysterical. AT ON POINT DURING
ALL THIS DID THE PILOT LEAVE HIS CABIN AND COMEOUT AND SEE WHAT WAS
HAPPENING - I was sitting in row 3 so had a pretty good view of the
cabin door and can ensure you he never even put his head round the door.
Given the previous 3 engine failures, the hysteria from the cabin crew
and the fact we were only half way through the flight time it became
pretty clear to everyone on the plane we has some sort of difficulty and
were in trouble. The plane plunged from the sky (that is not an
exageration) and banked steeply and the majority of people assumed the
engine had failed and we were crash landing. By this time the cabin crew
were in there seats, nearly crying. There was sort of a quiet hysteria
on the plane at this point - I openly admit I was absolutely terrified
and thought we were going to crash - but NOBODY left their seats and
there was no abuse, just genuine concern.
Don't know how long this went on for but eventually we landed somewhere
(Cardiff, but we didn't know) and the plane was immediately surrounded
by armed police with dogs, fire brigade and ambulances.
Eventually, probably after about an hour we were taken off the plane one
row at a time. This is when I saw the guys sitting in front of me being
arrested.
We were then made to sit in a room, surrounded by armed police for six
hours - had to be escorted to the toilet etc etc - every person on the
plane gave a statement and I am 100% sure they will not differ from
mine.
To be fair to the Cardiff police - they were very good - friendly,
organised food etc etc.
Then eventually, at 2200 last night, we were put on buses and driven the
nine hours to Glasgow. The astonishing thing being that the 144
"rioters" from the plane were put on buses which were told to stop at
two service stations where there was absolutely no police precense.
The six guys arrested -
two in front of me, who I know did nothing
one guy who was loud, since when did being loud become a crime
the guy who touched the stewardesses shoulder to get her attention
and two guys who caused such a rumpuss I cannot tell you where they were
or what they did
if you think that constitutes a riot then fair enough but I don't and
cannot believe what has happened.
Hello
Wanting to put this on as many sites as possible - to let people know
the truth.
First of all, having just got back home within the last 10 minutes I am
disgusted and what the papers are printing regarding this.
The average age on the plane was probably mid forties, a few kids,
women, OAPs - this was not a plane load of young hardmen.
On leaving Glasgow on Thursday morning we were all sitting on the plane,
engines going, leaving the stand. The engines stopped and we were taken
back to the stand - we were told there was a slight techinical problem
with one of the engines. Engineers etc came on and off the plane and
after about an hour be were told the plane was ready to go.
Engines going, leavign the stand, the engines stopped and we were taken
back to the stand again - told there was a slight techinical problem
with one of the engines. Engineers etc came on and off the plane and
after about an hour we were told the plane was ready to go.
Uneventful flight - bit of banter with cabin crew, all smiles nae
problems.
Friday morning - we were all sitting on the plane, engines going,
leaving the stand. The engines stopped and we were taken back to the
stand - we were told there was a slight techinical problem with one of
the engines. Engineers etc came on and off the plane and we were told to
get off the plane. No probems and after about two hours be were told the
plane was ready to go, everyone got back on the plane - again no
problems.
Given that we had now suffered three "engine failures" everyone was a
bit nervous about getting back on the plane but eventually we took off.
There was no drink on the plane and a few people had had a few beers
during the two hour delay but nobody was drunk.
I've been on loads of these charters and, given the result, I can say
that in terms of singing and shouting this was one of the quietest
charters I have ever been on. General atmosphere was summed up by a
rendition of YMCA when the cabin crew were doing the safety announcement
- cabin crew laughed, we laughed nae hassle.
About one hour into the flight the pilot announced that someone had been
smoking in the toilets and that the police had been called and we would
all be detained at Glasgow until the person owned up. A young boy,
probably about 18, was accused of being responsible - two guys sitting
across the aisle said he should grow up and take responsibility. A few
voices were raised but NOBODY left their seat - the argument lasted
about 3 minutes and nobody (cabin crew etc included) interveined. The
two guys who argued with the young boy were later arrested and as I was
sitting behind them I would be willing to stand up in court and say they
did nothing more than raise their voice - because that is the truth.
During this the cabin crew were collecting the trays from lunch - a
woman, probably in her 40/50s, there with her daughter asked one of the
stewardesses if anyone had owned up to the smoking as she didn't want to
be delayed at Glasgow Airport. The stewardess, pointing her finger at
the woman said that an attitude like hers would lead her to get arrested
as well. A guy, sitting behind the woman then tapped the stewardesses
shoulder and said that there was no need for that sort of threats the
woman was only asking a question.
Then all hell broke lose - one of the stewards went running into the
pilots cabin, came running back out and then, in a blind panic, started
frantically collecting the remaining trays. The cabin crew were running
about the plane with trollies etc nearly hysterical. AT ON POINT DURING
ALL THIS DID THE PILOT LEAVE HIS CABIN AND COMEOUT AND SEE WHAT WAS
HAPPENING - I was sitting in row 3 so had a pretty good view of the
cabin door and can ensure you he never even put his head round the door.
Given the previous 3 engine failures, the hysteria from the cabin crew
and the fact we were only half way through the flight time it became
pretty clear to everyone on the plane we has some sort of difficulty and
were in trouble. The plane plunged from the sky (that is not an
exageration) and banked steeply and the majority of people assumed the
engine had failed and we were crash landing. By this time the cabin crew
were in there seats, nearly crying. There was sort of a quiet hysteria
on the plane at this point - I openly admit I was absolutely terrified
and thought we were going to crash - but NOBODY left their seats and
there was no abuse, just genuine concern.
Don't know how long this went on for but eventually we landed somewhere
(Cardiff, but we didn't know) and the plane was immediately surrounded
by armed police with dogs, fire brigade and ambulances.
Eventually, probably after about an hour we were taken off the plane one
row at a time. This is when I saw the guys sitting in front of me being
arrested.
We were then made to sit in a room, surrounded by armed police for six
hours - had to be escorted to the toilet etc etc - every person on the
plane gave a statement and I am 100% sure they will not differ from
mine.
To be fair to the Cardiff police - they were very good - friendly,
organised food etc etc.
Then eventually, at 2200 last night, we were put on buses and driven the
nine hours to Glasgow. The astonishing thing being that the 144
"rioters" from the plane were put on buses which were told to stop at
two service stations where there was absolutely no police precense.
The six guys arrested -
two in front of me, who I know did nothing
one guy who was loud, since when did being loud become a crime
the guy who touched the stewardesses shoulder to get her attention
and two guys who caused such a rumpuss I cannot tell you where they were
or what they did
if you think that constitutes a riot then fair enough but I don't and
cannot believe what has happened.
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Think you will find that it is very rare for a pilot to come into the cabin to sort out an agrevated problem as too many of us have been hit. (Not good trying to land plane with concussion even monitoring the other guy) My company frowns on that idea. Also we now have kevlar cockpit doors to ensure pilots are protected from undesirables. Flying the plane is the important bit off the ground. Gravity rules are hard. If my cabin crew were unable to "maintain good order and discipline on board" it is my job to ensure the safety of the aircraft. I would have been on the ground soonest letting the police sort it out.
As for engine starts giving problems or whatever that is NOT an engine failure!:o
As for engine starts giving problems or whatever that is NOT an engine failure!:o
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Ok, I am happy to keep running with this.
A significant amount of alcohol was found hidden in the last six rows of the aircrfat after landing in Cardiff. This was detailed and taken away by the police.
The "Tap" required medical treatment, documented by the police.
Good, or he would have been in serious breach of the guidlines recently by the Department of Transport and the CAA
If this gentleman was sitting in row 3 he could not have been aware of what was happening in the back of the aircraft where the disturbance took place
but 6 passengers who have been charged with offences who remained in Cardiff.
There is no doubt that the majority of passengers on this flight were good humoured fans enjoying their day out to support their team. Unfortunately, as mentioned above, a small group of passengers broke the law, endangered an aircraft, and are being dealt with accordingly.
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There was no drink on the plane and a few people had had a few beers
A guy, sitting behind the woman then tapped the stewardesses shoulder
AT ON (sic)POINT DURING
ALL THIS DID THE PILOT LEAVE HIS CABIN AND COMEOUT AND SEE WHAT WAS HAPPENING
ALL THIS DID THE PILOT LEAVE HIS CABIN AND COMEOUT AND SEE WHAT WAS HAPPENING
I was sitting in row 3 so had a pretty good view of the cabin door
The astonishing thing being that the 144 "rioters" from the plane were put on buses which were told to stop at
two service stations where there was absolutely no police precense.
two service stations where there was absolutely no police precense.
There is no doubt that the majority of passengers on this flight were good humoured fans enjoying their day out to support their team. Unfortunately, as mentioned above, a small group of passengers broke the law, endangered an aircraft, and are being dealt with accordingly.
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737 diverted to CWL
Icepack -
I think the point is whether there was disorder. All reports this morning from passengers are stating that there was not.
If somebody smoked in the toilet, I presume the aircraft is not immediately diverted - am I correct? From what I can gather the idiot should be dealt with on landing at the destination - in this case Glasgow. The 'riotous behaviour' from all the reports I have heard involved raised voices at the stupid idiot who smoked - from other passengers. It cannot be that all the passengers on board are wrong on this and surely an internal company inquiry should now take place and the result publicised.
I will agree, however, that the captain may have been misinformed as to the situation and reacted in the correct way - from his point of view.
I think it is only fair to listen to the views of the passengers as well in all this and from what I can hear the accounts given to the police from the passengers do not tally with that given by the cabin crew. We shall see as the media are now beginning to give the other side and the company involved have had to issue a statement this morning.
I think the point is whether there was disorder. All reports this morning from passengers are stating that there was not.
If somebody smoked in the toilet, I presume the aircraft is not immediately diverted - am I correct? From what I can gather the idiot should be dealt with on landing at the destination - in this case Glasgow. The 'riotous behaviour' from all the reports I have heard involved raised voices at the stupid idiot who smoked - from other passengers. It cannot be that all the passengers on board are wrong on this and surely an internal company inquiry should now take place and the result publicised.
I will agree, however, that the captain may have been misinformed as to the situation and reacted in the correct way - from his point of view.
I think it is only fair to listen to the views of the passengers as well in all this and from what I can hear the accounts given to the police from the passengers do not tally with that given by the cabin crew. We shall see as the media are now beginning to give the other side and the company involved have had to issue a statement this morning.