L1011 operating Volare Airlines subcharter turns back!
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L1011 operating Volare Airlines subcharter turns back!
An L1011 Tristar operated by the Portugese company "Yes" turned back to Milan Malpensa earlier today after experiencing engine problems during the take off role. The flight to Cuba was subchartered by Volare Airlines, to operate under an Air Europe flight number.(fact). .(Taken from TV News). .After assurances from the flight crew that the aircraft was later fit to depart once again a vote was taken amongst the passengers who decided that it would be more prudent to remain on terra firma! Some pax later departed on a replacement aircraft!. .(personal comment). .The times they are a changing! Somebody once told me to encourage pax not to get off a busted airplane if it could be fixed as once off they will probably decide not to get on again & will demand all their luggage back!!!!. .In this case the crew were somewhat left out of the equation me thinks!
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Yep, the pax voted on whether to cross the Atlantic after an engine fire.. .. .According to this account, they were airborne when the vote was taken.. .. .Pretty wild even by Italian standards.... .. ."One of the engines stalled very briefly. It turned itself off and then on again and there were flames. Apparently it is quite normal," . .__________________________________________. .. .Italian Plane Passengers See Flames, Vote to Land . .. .Mon Mar 4,10:14 AM ET . .. .MILAN (Reuters) - The pilot of a charter flight to Cuba from Italy that burst into flames during takeoff had passengers vote on whether to continue the 5,000-mile journey. . .. . . .The passengers, who had seen flames stream from one of the Yesair jet's engines, voted overwhelmingly in favor of returning to the ground, officials at Milan's Malpensa airport said on Monday. . .. .The pilot managed to get the plane into the air and announced that he had resolved the problem with the engine and planned to carry on to Cuba on the Sunday flight. . .. .But his reassurances failed to calm nerves among the 250 passengers and he called for the vote. . .. .Passengers, who had panicked after seeing the flames and smelled smoke in the cabin, told reporters that almost all of them had demanded to return to Malpensa. . .. ."I saw flames, it was incredible. It looked like the whole engine was about to go up," one unnamed passenger told state television news. . .. .No one from the Portuguese charter company Yesair was immediately available for comment, but an airline source in Milan said the plane had not been in danger. . .. ."One of the engines stalled very briefly. It turned itself off and then on again and there were flames. Apparently it is quite normal," he said, declining to be named. . .. ."The passengers saw the flames. Obviously they were scared. The captain asked them what they wanted to do -- continue across the Atlantic or return to the airport," he said. . .. .The airline source said it was not normal to let passengers decide the fate of a flight. . .. .The holidaymakers were scheduled to fly to Cuba aboard a different plane on Monday.
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Well Geeny,. .How should we reply! Are you going to answer or shall I.. .Nahh! you shouldn't just take our word for it. Try the search button & do a little research!. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />
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Well it aint the first RB211 to give a spectacular Pop on a Tristar. Lanka Airways used to fly one to Zürich which needed runups and RTO's before it eventually got airborne - "flames" looked really good from the right cabin windows. Hmm maybe it's the same ship...
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Sorry, but it looks like everybody is missing the main issue here, and it is spelled INSUBORDINATION!. .Here is the press release from APPLA - Portuguese Airline Pilots Association. .. .APPLA - The Portuguese Airline Pilots Association distributed a press release that says that "it is false in any accounts, that the decision of the commander" of the Lockheed Tristar from Yes Air that returned to the airport of Malpensa (Milão) in the past day 3 of March, was influenced by a vote from the passengers for the simple fact that the commander had no knowledge of that fact until after landing. To APPLA "the technical performance from the crew in the resolution of the incident was exemplar", referring more ahead that "faced with the disorder provoked by some passengers that, inclusively, tried to invade the cockpit putting the flight in serious risk, the commander, in the safeguard of the aircraft and of the passengers, following international recommendations to handle this kind of situation, returned to Milão".
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I would say the main issue here is:why did Volare need to subcharter out of the season?. .We all know the portugese pilots are the best,maybe only ex frecce tricolori are better.
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Grrrr.... we all know A/C was Tech in CUN, someone in the F/D wanted to give a holiday to the tired landing gear <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="redface.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />
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Freddie,. .The pilots you are talking about are all back on the Airbus fleet.But in view of the latest developments (resignations) some could be back on the Boeings.Confusing,sure it is!
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GEENY,. .. .From what you are writing things in Italy aren´t very good at moment, are they ? Too many experienced pilots wthout a job in the market ? I´m asking it because I´m interested in the italian aviation scenario, as I think about flying there sometime.. .. .Regards. .. .YP
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I would not say to few experienced managers, I just think they have a different(strange) point of view, but my former boss (not italian) was the same, often even worse. (Thats way I see all this very relaxed, I have seen worse).. .You are right Geeny, all of them returned to the Airbus just after supervision, strange and very effective ???? Thats way I say that all 767 pilots are AirEurope pilots, and the A/C in CUN was grounded by a AirEurope pilot.. .. .A few pilots already left and a few accepted the VLE contract, we will see how it continues......
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Where did the 5 ex-Air Europe 777 captains go to? Any examples - Emirates maybe?. .. .Also, did former Air Europe Boeing pilots bumped to the Airbus fleet start from the right or left-hand seat in the A320? Are the "remaining" Air Europe Boeing pilots still flying the Boeings?. .. .Good luck to all involved!. .. .Cheers
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It would be interesting to know what rotation this crew in CUN had done, they sometimes go via Roatan in Honduras and then on to Cancun. I did this a few weeks back, it was 12hrs 50mins flying time (about 13hrs 15mins block time)to RTB, one hour on the ground and then another hour on to CUN (total duty time was 18hrs 30mins). I was in no fit state to fly an aircraft by the time it came to land in CUN and in fact I had a bit of a fright on the approach into CUN not from my lack of flying skills but from my state of total fatigue and slowness to react. For a duty time of this length they give you a third crew member but with the flight deck jump seat usually the only place to rest you do not get much in the way of rest at all. . .Italian duty times of 24 hours with 17 hours flying time (with a three man crew) make this duty legal but would the passengers really fly if they knew what state the guy at the front was in. I seriously frightened myself, I am glad that I am leaving and do not have to do it again.