Did BACE 146 fly to wrong airport?
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Not all rumours. The NWA DC10 in BRU instead of FRA is indeed true ( and sad as the Capt got fired and the F/O resigned ) The AirCharter ( Air France sub ) B727 that ended up in Aqqaba (Jordan) instead of Eilat (Israel) is also true. they really got 'disorientated ", (and were lucky ).
Aerolinas Argentinas in a 747 ,in the 80,s , on a transatlantic flight to Las Palmas , landed in TFS while the airport was still in construction . taxied, turned around and took off again, landed in LPA without saying anything. Constructions workers in TFS talked to the Press the next day. Aerolinas first denied it was them. But specific tyres marks on the (new) runway gave tem up...
But the my favourite is still the Spantax CV990 , full of journalists and Tour operators chiefs, that was bound for Hamburg and landed in Finkenwerder, on the island in the middle of the city in a 1800m runway...in the 70s They made it OK but had to remove everything movable in the a/c including the seats, drain all but 2 tons of fuel to ba able to take off again to HAM.
They manage to do so eventually !
The irony was that it was a flight paid by the airline to re-assure German tourists that it was safe to fly Spantax ( they had just 3 crashes in 2 years )
Aerolinas Argentinas in a 747 ,in the 80,s , on a transatlantic flight to Las Palmas , landed in TFS while the airport was still in construction . taxied, turned around and took off again, landed in LPA without saying anything. Constructions workers in TFS talked to the Press the next day. Aerolinas first denied it was them. But specific tyres marks on the (new) runway gave tem up...
But the my favourite is still the Spantax CV990 , full of journalists and Tour operators chiefs, that was bound for Hamburg and landed in Finkenwerder, on the island in the middle of the city in a 1800m runway...in the 70s They made it OK but had to remove everything movable in the a/c including the seats, drain all but 2 tons of fuel to ba able to take off again to HAM.
They manage to do so eventually !
The irony was that it was a flight paid by the airline to re-assure German tourists that it was safe to fly Spantax ( they had just 3 crashes in 2 years )
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Sorry to be cynical, but are you ABSOLUTELY SURE you're not repeating folklore tales from long ago? I have heard identical stories:
1- involving a BOAC prop aeroplane landing at the wrong aeroplane in Montreal, taxing around and taking off again - the only way it came to light was when a landing fee account arrived at BOAC, and
2- DC-8 landing at Juhu Beach instead of Bombay- rest of the details the same.
The point is that oft repeated stories from the past take on a 'truth' of their own. People will swear blind about them, as they firmly believe the 'alligators infecting the NY sewer system as keepers of exotic pets flush them down the loo when they get too snappy', the man in the JATO equipped truck in the Arizona desert, the 'people waking up with no kidneys', the '$200 cookie recipe', the numerous serious sounding hoax virus warnings, the little girl dying of cancer who wants as many emails as possible, the scuba diver found in the forest fire, the jumper off a tall building who dies of a shotgun wound, the construction workers left inside concrete in bridges, they're all total rubbish and you can believe nothing until you read it from a reliable source- the curse of the internet is all the idiots circulating stories ad infinitum until they gain their own 'truth'. Aviation suffers this tripe as well. So I'm not saying they didn't happen, but I'll believe it when I see it written somewhere reliable. I know some are true- I heard them years ago!
1- involving a BOAC prop aeroplane landing at the wrong aeroplane in Montreal, taxing around and taking off again - the only way it came to light was when a landing fee account arrived at BOAC, and
2- DC-8 landing at Juhu Beach instead of Bombay- rest of the details the same.
The point is that oft repeated stories from the past take on a 'truth' of their own. People will swear blind about them, as they firmly believe the 'alligators infecting the NY sewer system as keepers of exotic pets flush them down the loo when they get too snappy', the man in the JATO equipped truck in the Arizona desert, the 'people waking up with no kidneys', the '$200 cookie recipe', the numerous serious sounding hoax virus warnings, the little girl dying of cancer who wants as many emails as possible, the scuba diver found in the forest fire, the jumper off a tall building who dies of a shotgun wound, the construction workers left inside concrete in bridges, they're all total rubbish and you can believe nothing until you read it from a reliable source- the curse of the internet is all the idiots circulating stories ad infinitum until they gain their own 'truth'. Aviation suffers this tripe as well. So I'm not saying they didn't happen, but I'll believe it when I see it written somewhere reliable. I know some are true- I heard them years ago!
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Absolutelly TRUE
This AM, xxx1p from there to Manch. Co call,[I wasn't "involved"] yet, for the PIC to "call CO".
Second call [to me] was to "park" said a/c, cos the first call was Don't land, go back to dep a/f
we aim to please, it keeps the cleaners happy
This AM, xxx1p from there to Manch. Co call,[I wasn't "involved"] yet, for the PIC to "call CO".
Second call [to me] was to "park" said a/c, cos the first call was Don't land, go back to dep a/f
we aim to please, it keeps the cleaners happy
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Hate to nitpick, but the Pembey Fw 190 (W Nr 313, RAF MP499) was Struck Off Charge in Sept. 1943 and destroyed. The one at Hendon is a two-seater, surrendered at Grove (Karup) in 1945. The single seater at the IWM, Lambeth, is the upper part of a Mistel combination, surrendered at Tirstup in Denmark. Bit off topic, but keep the record straight.
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Well, a PANAM 707 landed at Northolt in the '60s instead of RW23 at LHR. This one I do know is true - I also happened to know the LHR controller who had correctly lined him up and switched him to Tower and then got on with more vectoring. The first he knew of it was when he received an irate phone call from the boys in blue in the Northolt Tower. There were at least another couple of go-arounds ('overshoots' back then) at Northolt by aircraft on Final to RW23 at LHR. I believe that they then painted a very large NH on the gasholder in South Harrow.
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Not so fantastic : I do not know about the others incidents , but the one I reported , NWA ( I was on duty, and we got the debrief from the FAA a year later ), Air Charter , got a lot of media coverage in France, even Flight international ran a photo of the 727 a completely white a/c with only the words Air Charter painted on it standing in the Jordan military base . The Aerolinas 747 was reported in the Spanish press at the time, and the BX Coronado, I was also on duty and this one made the German press as well for a long time as at least 50 journos were on board.
All there are retracable thru media archives if you have the time.
True some stories get embelished with time and resurface in other parts of the globe, helas not those 4.
All there are retracable thru media archives if you have the time.
True some stories get embelished with time and resurface in other parts of the globe, helas not those 4.
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“1- involving a BOAC prop aeroplane landing at the wrong aeroplane”
Such a picky little sucker. NotSoPerfic after all. Must be a Captain …. Sorry please don’t censor this too.
See you Nigel.
Such a picky little sucker. NotSoPerfic after all. Must be a Captain …. Sorry please don’t censor this too.
See you Nigel.
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YES!! This did happen at 20 sept!! They put the crew on stndby until further notice/ investigation.
The passengers did not travel by buss, but by Schiphol Taxi's.
Schiphol published a small article about this incident in their monthly magazine.
The passengers did not travel by buss, but by Schiphol Taxi's.
Schiphol published a small article about this incident in their monthly magazine.
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>>Whilst some of these stories are funny, you don't really think there is more than a grain of truth in most of them do you?<<
Well, landing at the wrong airport sure happens more often than most of us would like to admit. Years ago Delta landed at McDill Air Force Base instead of Tampa and Frankfort instead of Lexington. Delta became an acronym for Don't Ever Land There Again.
Here's a news account of a touch and go in a 727 with pax onboard:
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Quito, Ecuador (AP) June 25, 1999
A pilot flying a commercial jet with 110 passengers
tried to land at the wrong airport in Ecuador and only
took off again after realizing the runway was too
short, authorities said Thursday.
The Boeing 727 touched town briefly Tuesday in the tiny
airport in Ambato, 75 miles south of the capital of
Quito. But the plane lifted off again immediately when
the pilot realized it was heading toward a ravine at
the end of the runway, civil aviation chief Gen.
Osvaldo Dominguez said.
The pilot then flew on to the correct destination,
Latacunga airport, 25 miles away, Dominguez said.
Latacunga airport is being used as a temporary
alternative for planes heading to Quito's Mariscal
Sucre airport, which is closed for a week for
renovations. The plane, owned by the Venezuelan airline
Avensa, was coming from the Ecuadorean port city of
Guayaquil.
"This absolutely and totally was an inexplicable human
error that should be sanctioned rigorously because
there is no explanation," Dominguez said.
The pilot was interviewed by Ecuadorean aviation
authorities for seven hours in Latacunga airport before
being allowed to fly the plane to its next stop in
Bogota, Colombia.
http://www.joeha.com/whiteboard/whiteboardnewsjun25.htm
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Here are a few more reports of these "urban legends":
http://www.newstribune.com/stories/0...0315010075.asp
http://archives.californiaaviation.o.../msg12024.html
http://www.airdisaster.com/news/0702/31/news3.shtml
http://cabaniss.home.texas.net/genea...d_landing.html
http://www.lubbockonline.com/news/032997/razorbac.htm
http://lubbockonline.com/news/100596/plane.htm
Well, landing at the wrong airport sure happens more often than most of us would like to admit. Years ago Delta landed at McDill Air Force Base instead of Tampa and Frankfort instead of Lexington. Delta became an acronym for Don't Ever Land There Again.
Here's a news account of a touch and go in a 727 with pax onboard:
__________________________________________
Quito, Ecuador (AP) June 25, 1999
A pilot flying a commercial jet with 110 passengers
tried to land at the wrong airport in Ecuador and only
took off again after realizing the runway was too
short, authorities said Thursday.
The Boeing 727 touched town briefly Tuesday in the tiny
airport in Ambato, 75 miles south of the capital of
Quito. But the plane lifted off again immediately when
the pilot realized it was heading toward a ravine at
the end of the runway, civil aviation chief Gen.
Osvaldo Dominguez said.
The pilot then flew on to the correct destination,
Latacunga airport, 25 miles away, Dominguez said.
Latacunga airport is being used as a temporary
alternative for planes heading to Quito's Mariscal
Sucre airport, which is closed for a week for
renovations. The plane, owned by the Venezuelan airline
Avensa, was coming from the Ecuadorean port city of
Guayaquil.
"This absolutely and totally was an inexplicable human
error that should be sanctioned rigorously because
there is no explanation," Dominguez said.
The pilot was interviewed by Ecuadorean aviation
authorities for seven hours in Latacunga airport before
being allowed to fly the plane to its next stop in
Bogota, Colombia.
http://www.joeha.com/whiteboard/whiteboardnewsjun25.htm
_______________________________________
Here are a few more reports of these "urban legends":
http://www.newstribune.com/stories/0...0315010075.asp
http://archives.californiaaviation.o.../msg12024.html
http://www.airdisaster.com/news/0702/31/news3.shtml
http://cabaniss.home.texas.net/genea...d_landing.html
http://www.lubbockonline.com/news/032997/razorbac.htm
http://lubbockonline.com/news/100596/plane.htm
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A couple of years ago, 'Erindoors ventured on one of Mr O'Leary's machines. It took off from Stockholm, more or less on time and came in to land a few minutes early. Usual announcement; "Ladies and gentlemen, we have landed at Stansted, please remain in your seats... " etc, etc.
Mrs Beak rose to get her stuff together, looked out of the window, and called the nearest flight attendant over. "If we've just landed at Stansted, why does it say Groningen on that building over there?"
The poor girl looked out, looked flustered, blinked, then said, "Actually, I don't know where we are," then vanished up the sharp end.
After twenty minutes the machine took off, and went to Stansted as planned. No announcement, no apology, no nothing.
Fuel stop? Pilot picking up a friend? Mistook? Weird.
Mrs Beak rose to get her stuff together, looked out of the window, and called the nearest flight attendant over. "If we've just landed at Stansted, why does it say Groningen on that building over there?"
The poor girl looked out, looked flustered, blinked, then said, "Actually, I don't know where we are," then vanished up the sharp end.
After twenty minutes the machine took off, and went to Stansted as planned. No announcement, no apology, no nothing.
Fuel stop? Pilot picking up a friend? Mistook? Weird.
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Well, nothing to do with aviation but in my line of business (shipping) we can experience similar problems. A few years back I ordered a ship to go to Gloucester, MASS to load. She ended up at Gloucester, NJ. Very embarrasing for the Captain and very expensive for my company. 
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My boss once recieved a call from some visitors who failed to turn up at our office. Said they were having problems finding it.
It turned out they had arrived at Heathrow and had lept straight into their hire car and driven to Cambridge. Only problem was they had gone to Cambridge in Gloucestershire instead of Cambridge in Cambridgeshire. No wonder the local map we gave them wasn't much good.
It turned out they had arrived at Heathrow and had lept straight into their hire car and driven to Cambridge. Only problem was they had gone to Cambridge in Gloucestershire instead of Cambridge in Cambridgeshire. No wonder the local map we gave them wasn't much good.
Earthmover,
it was NO on the gas holder at South Harrow and LH on the identical one at Southall (which lined you up with 23 at Heathrow). I had a very good view of a Swissair DC8 nearly doing a repeat of the PanAm episode from my parents' house a few hundred yards from said gas holder. I understand the trick in those days was to line up the spire of St Mary's church on the top of Harrow Hill with the appropriate gas holder - no doubt someone will correct me!
it was NO on the gas holder at South Harrow and LH on the identical one at Southall (which lined you up with 23 at Heathrow). I had a very good view of a Swissair DC8 nearly doing a repeat of the PanAm episode from my parents' house a few hundred yards from said gas holder. I understand the trick in those days was to line up the spire of St Mary's church on the top of Harrow Hill with the appropriate gas holder - no doubt someone will correct me!
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Thanks GG, absolutely correct! & I now remember the laughter generated by the NO! - I did actually see one of the go-arounds, but can't remember the airline ... or perhaps would rather not let on!!
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Getting Close?
leij.
Interesting to hear that Leij (of course some loud mouth know it all, will call you a liar unless you show him the taxi receipts, oh and anything you read in the press/airport magazine is bound to be fabricated.)
It's no wonder that it hasn't been reported yet. Not many of us would like to see a mistake (if that is what it was) of these proportions, highlighted here or anywhere else for that matter.
I know, for a fact that the purser had to write a full report on return.
No boubt the truth will out eventually. I would like to know how (if) it happened. Hopefully, then I can avoid doing same.
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Are you always looking for some conspiracy? Why should it be linked with the scope agreement?! Nobody has even mentioned that. Just because you didn't hear it as a rumour does that mean it isn't one or that it isn't true. If you don't like it don't read it. Simple.
From the confirmation in Schipol, it would appear there is some more to this.
Interesting to hear that Leij (of course some loud mouth know it all, will call you a liar unless you show him the taxi receipts, oh and anything you read in the press/airport magazine is bound to be fabricated.)
It's no wonder that it hasn't been reported yet. Not many of us would like to see a mistake (if that is what it was) of these proportions, highlighted here or anywhere else for that matter.
I know, for a fact that the purser had to write a full report on return.
No boubt the truth will out eventually. I would like to know how (if) it happened. Hopefully, then I can avoid doing same.
rhythm method
Are you always looking for some conspiracy? Why should it be linked with the scope agreement?! Nobody has even mentioned that. Just because you didn't hear it as a rumour does that mean it isn't one or that it isn't true. If you don't like it don't read it. Simple.
From the confirmation in Schipol, it would appear there is some more to this.
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Having read some of your earlier posts on other threads I was not surprised that you popped up here with your own unique brand of invective. I'm just puzzled as to why you do it.......
Having read some of your earlier posts on other threads I was not surprised that you popped up here with your own unique brand of invective. I'm just puzzled as to why you do it.......
More common than you think.
I was once cleared to line up at Leeming only to be told to hold short as there was an unidentified aircraft in the circuit. I waited and watched as a Jet Provost flew a perfect Practice Forced Landing pattern and took off again without making one radio call. No doubt, the controllers at Topcliffe were craning their necks trying to see the aircraft they though was in their circuit.
And in my airline a few years ago, a crew flying from LGW initialised the route from LHR. It took a landing at Shannon to sort the problem and re-align!
Check those tracks and distances!!!!
I was once cleared to line up at Leeming only to be told to hold short as there was an unidentified aircraft in the circuit. I waited and watched as a Jet Provost flew a perfect Practice Forced Landing pattern and took off again without making one radio call. No doubt, the controllers at Topcliffe were craning their necks trying to see the aircraft they though was in their circuit.
And in my airline a few years ago, a crew flying from LGW initialised the route from LHR. It took a landing at Shannon to sort the problem and re-align!
Check those tracks and distances!!!!
