Aircraft fire at Stansted
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[quote] Unfotunately things can be driven beyond the crews control if passengers start deplaning while engines are still running and you have to avoid using the starter in case a passenger gets in front of one of the engines.
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I wouldn't worry about sucking the SLF into the engine whilst motoring over on the starter, the CFM wouldn't even be able to suck in your expenses.
Augustus Finknottle . . . . [quote] Put a bunch of semi-illiterate Irish Gypsies (with accountancy "degrees" from the University of Guatemala) together with "pilots" and "engineers" from "The Seychelles Academy of Aeronautics" and you are asking for trouble. <hr></blockquote>
I find this remark quite offensive (I am not Irish and I don't work for Ryanair).
There is a serious point about the standard of maintenance of these low cost airlines, not because of the competance of the Engineers but due to how the maintenance contracts have been agreed. Ryanairs maintenance was done, until recently, by FLS - as I understand it the contract was written to favour Ryanair and FLS actually made a loss on it. If the maintenance organisation is not making any money the standard of engineering support is bound to fall.
I know FLS freely went into this contract and therefore it is their own fault, but that is no consolation to the people at 30,000ft if something goes wrong.
[quote] Unfotunately things can be driven beyond the crews control if passengers start deplaning while engines are still running and you have to avoid using the starter in case a passenger gets in front of one of the engines.
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I wouldn't worry about sucking the SLF into the engine whilst motoring over on the starter, the CFM wouldn't even be able to suck in your expenses.
Augustus Finknottle . . . . [quote] Put a bunch of semi-illiterate Irish Gypsies (with accountancy "degrees" from the University of Guatemala) together with "pilots" and "engineers" from "The Seychelles Academy of Aeronautics" and you are asking for trouble. <hr></blockquote>
I find this remark quite offensive (I am not Irish and I don't work for Ryanair).
There is a serious point about the standard of maintenance of these low cost airlines, not because of the competance of the Engineers but due to how the maintenance contracts have been agreed. Ryanairs maintenance was done, until recently, by FLS - as I understand it the contract was written to favour Ryanair and FLS actually made a loss on it. If the maintenance organisation is not making any money the standard of engineering support is bound to fall.
I know FLS freely went into this contract and therefore it is their own fault, but that is no consolation to the people at 30,000ft if something goes wrong.
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"Put a bunch of semi-illiterate Irish Gypsies (with accountancy "degrees" from the University of Guatemala) together with "pilots" and "engineers" from "The Seychelles Academy of Aeronautics" and you are asking for trouble etc etc .....
I am not Irish but also find such language unaceptable from a professional Pilot or Engineer ..... some of the language being used about Irish Aviators in this forum would almost certainly attract the eyes of the British Authorities in the "Race descrimination" area ......
"Put a bunch of semi-illiterate Irish Gypsies (with accountancy "degrees" from the University of Guatemala) together with "pilots" and "engineers" from "The Seychelles Academy of Aeronautics" and you are asking for trouble etc etc .....
I am not Irish but also find such language unaceptable from a professional Pilot or Engineer ..... some of the language being used about Irish Aviators in this forum would almost certainly attract the eyes of the British Authorities in the "Race descrimination" area ......
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Comments such as those by Augustus Finknottle, part of which have3 been repeated in the post above will not be tolerated here. Anyone else with racist or xenophobic tendencies will be refused a platform for their ignorant remarks.. . <img src="mad.gif" border="0">
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How about we stop this Ryan-bashing and look at the scenario. You are the crew. ATC report smoke coming from the engine after landing. One thing is for sure, they are not going to let you park that thing on one of their nice airbridges and risk smoke getting into the terminal. Now what do you do? Allow the passengers to remain aboard, with the possibility that the whole thing may go up on you? Or do what this crew did, evacuate the passengers and leave the airport fire services, who have bigger extinguishers than you, tackle the problem. No, I wasn't there, and can't say for sure that they made the right decision, but something tells me that I would have done the same thing. Nobody hurt and the aircraft intact. Fly with you anytime, Captain.
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Jet II you are just as bad and wrong in claming Fls may be partly responsible for what happened.. . Saying maintenance was sub-standard because of the Fls -Ryanair realionship etc.. . You are an absoult **** for saying things like that.. . . . Just to educate you my friend, the engine failure was due to the failure of the #5 main bearing in the engine, which there has been an SB from the manufacture about, Thats all I'll say.. . So it has absoultly nothing to do with Fls maintenance or Ryanair what so ever...... .. . Do some homework before you say stuff like that which can be very damaging to the said companies.. .. . Fls has been keeping Ryan and loads other Aircraft and their Pax (MILLIONS) safe and happy for many, many years.. .I don't think the Boys and girls of Fls that work their skin off will appreciate your comments.. . Think next time please............ .. . Best Regards. . Slave. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" />
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A/c Slave . .. .I do apologize for upsetting you. In no way was I blaming FLS for this accident. You seem to have taken my comments the wrong way - what I am concerned about is the difficulty any support company would have in providing excellent service if it was not making any money on the contract. . .. .I have worked with FLS in the past and have no problems with the skills and profesionalism of the engineers, however I know that some managers who find themselves in an unproductive contract will not put in the resources needed for the best of the operation.
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A/c slave. .Thanks for the gen regarding the bearing.. .. .I thought it was something like that. There sure was a lot vibration evident in the cabin, followed by a lot of white smoke out of the jet pipe on shut down, not sure if there was any fire though. . .. .Thumbs up to the flight attendant on the p.a. who was determined to carry on flogging off the train tickets and telecom cards above the din of the number 2 engine trying to vibrate itself to peices!!. .. .Thumbs down to Stansted security who would not let pax out of baggage hall (after waiting a couple of hours) into terminal for large brandies, scotches etc.
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VICK, are you saying the cabin staff continued reading commercial-type PA announcements when something was clearly amiss? Hardly something to give a "thumbs up" too!. .. .In fact, we are trying to remove these superflous PAs from our company since the passengers are being bombarded with PAs starting from on-board DUTY frees to RENT-A-CAR ads etc. In the end, most of the pax start ignoring the PA.
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320DRIVER. .. .Yes as I said the commercials over the p.a. carried on even when it was evident there was something wrong.. . . .The thumbs up was for carring on regardless in a kind of British stiff upper lip type way! (except I think they may have been Spanish)!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> . .. .Its an interesting point about the p.a.'s. I reguarly fly a route operated by Ryanair and another carrier. There are fewer announcements on the other carrier, and people seem to take more notice - like not trying to collect their hand baggage out of the overhead as the aircraft turns off the runway for example!
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At last! A considered responsible topic about Ruyanair well discussed until one ******** starts the racist tripe again. Well done Danny, stop it now - all of it. Regarding the issue, the crew did a first-class job by all accounts. Well done to a good professional bunch of people doing what they've been trained for and like the rest of us, hope they never have to put into practice. It was a failed bearing according to an engineer friend who works in STN. I'd be very happy to be in the hands of this crew any time. It doesn't matter whether they work for Ryanair, Easy, Go or BA. They're all professionals doing a professional job. Thanks guys and gals and well done to all.
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Vick might it be possible that the cabin crew here was trying to distract the pax by acting "normal", the way they were taught to do?. .. ........remembers once having been told to walk through the cabin with an empty coffee pot during a bit of unpleasantness to give a semblance of business as usal.......
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Heard a rumour that the flaps weren't lowered so the chaps who tried to exit the over wing exits had to turn back into the cabin - I could be wrong and probably am - Anyone care to comment?
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Bad F/O. Failed his recall item.
While completing the flight deck evacuation drills, the commander noticed that the flaps were travelling very slowly. To expedite the evacuation he decided to shut down the left engine with the flaps at about 2°.
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I wonder if the engine instrumentation was helpful to the crew in this instance?
I remember reading at the time of the Kegworth incident that the vibration indicators were not that helpful, although I understand this was the previous generation of that aircraft, with slightly different CFM's under the wings.
Do the numbers on the vibration gauge actually mean anything in terms of units, or is it just a guideline for the crew?
I remember reading at the time of the Kegworth incident that the vibration indicators were not that helpful, although I understand this was the previous generation of that aircraft, with slightly different CFM's under the wings.
Do the numbers on the vibration gauge actually mean anything in terms of units, or is it just a guideline for the crew?
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It's an indication. What you're looking for is *change* in vibration levels... I'm aware of cases where the Imminent Occurence of Something Nasty has been announced by a sudden *decrease* in vibration.
It's just one piece of evidence - you have to look at the bigger picture - EGT, N1/N2, EPR, fuel flow etc.
Also figures as a parameter in the engineers long-term engine trend monitoring, for failure prediction.
The 'units' are arbitrary numbers, AFAIK.
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Do the numbers on the vibration gauge actually mean anything in terms of units, or is it just a guideline for the crew?
It's just one piece of evidence - you have to look at the bigger picture - EGT, N1/N2, EPR, fuel flow etc.
Also figures as a parameter in the engineers long-term engine trend monitoring, for failure prediction.
The 'units' are arbitrary numbers, AFAIK.
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