Heathrow "incident"?
Well Mr Anonymous, Notso Fantastic, Although I am loath to take the bait on this, Oh Sooo "PROFESSIONAL PILOTS RUMOUR NETWORK" I get so tired of seeing perfectly honest, informative threads, turning into whiney elitist moans from simple Pilots
What the hell do you think you are, a brain surgeon
Read your post again from a different angle. QUOTE:-
"Lordy Lordy! PPrune AGAIN succumbs to the idiots, the 'shoot from the hip' opinion makers, the 'anti- anything BA does is wrong' brigade, and those of all three classifications (411A)! What a dreadful reflection on Pprune this thread is! I think it has reached the stage where Professional Pilots will be turned off this bulletin board because of all the idiots spouting off about things they know nothing about, or the alleged 'experts' with chips (heavy chips!) on their shoulders"
Wake up, the debate is over, The "Loonies" are here to stay.
What the hell do you think you are, a brain surgeon
Read your post again from a different angle. QUOTE:-
"Lordy Lordy! PPrune AGAIN succumbs to the idiots, the 'shoot from the hip' opinion makers, the 'anti- anything BA does is wrong' brigade, and those of all three classifications (411A)! What a dreadful reflection on Pprune this thread is! I think it has reached the stage where Professional Pilots will be turned off this bulletin board because of all the idiots spouting off about things they know nothing about, or the alleged 'experts' with chips (heavy chips!) on their shoulders"
Wake up, the debate is over, The "Loonies" are here to stay.
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Well Grifo- the answer is in your own hands! Spend more time in the PROFESSIONAL PHOTOGRAPHERS RUMOUR NETWORK and perhaps stop making inane (and abusive) postings in a forum you really have no connection with!
411- you really have a chip on the shoulder about the majors, don't you? Your limited experience of retired BA (in particular) pilots doesn't bear out well with the experience of Far East carriers who make extensive use of prematurely retired BA pilots (age 55 max). Your postings show perhaps excessive prejudice- you carry on blindly in the knowledge that ONLY you are right about all the majors, and anything against pilots must be right. I think you enjoying 'tweaking' professional pilots for your own amusement no?
411- you really have a chip on the shoulder about the majors, don't you? Your limited experience of retired BA (in particular) pilots doesn't bear out well with the experience of Far East carriers who make extensive use of prematurely retired BA pilots (age 55 max). Your postings show perhaps excessive prejudice- you carry on blindly in the knowledge that ONLY you are right about all the majors, and anything against pilots must be right. I think you enjoying 'tweaking' professional pilots for your own amusement no?
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Thank you sir! I don't tolerate fools easily. Why so many people so totally uninvolved with the profession have so much to say here mystifies me. How goes the Irish aviation scene?
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And a nice day to you too Sire! Nice to see a posting that is intelligible rather than:
>>Blah Blah Blahdy Blah,
Whiney Blahdy Blah !!! <<
This thread, along with that appalling other one about emergency landing at London ex Cardiff maintenance, have really only served to denigrate professional pilots careers. The criticism of continuing away from Cardiff without one non essential hydraulic system (out of four), this alleged 'emergency landing at London' with a hydraulic failure, it all seems to bring the prejudices out of the woodwork:
411A's >>Hmmm, seems many here believe Superior Airways have stuffed it up, once again...hardly surprising, with BA's generally condecending attitude.<< (Is this person ill? Quite a judgement considering he knows hardly anything of the incident. A real professional would not have leapt in with both feet quite so prematurely)
It's all a bit professionally demeaning to pilots who are only doing their best and trying to do the RIGHT thing knowing their actions will stand up to scrutiny by their superiors. It used to be that incidents had a professional investigation before stones were cast. Now, instant Pprune judgement takes place on the sparsest of information followed by amateur criticism of professionals before the sun goes down. Perhaps if more people were prepared to WAIT a few days before firing off a broadside it would help. But in the meantime, we can all expect types like 411A to leap in without a thought (but a lot of prejudice!).
>>Blah Blah Blahdy Blah,
Whiney Blahdy Blah !!! <<
This thread, along with that appalling other one about emergency landing at London ex Cardiff maintenance, have really only served to denigrate professional pilots careers. The criticism of continuing away from Cardiff without one non essential hydraulic system (out of four), this alleged 'emergency landing at London' with a hydraulic failure, it all seems to bring the prejudices out of the woodwork:
411A's >>Hmmm, seems many here believe Superior Airways have stuffed it up, once again...hardly surprising, with BA's generally condecending attitude.<< (Is this person ill? Quite a judgement considering he knows hardly anything of the incident. A real professional would not have leapt in with both feet quite so prematurely)
It's all a bit professionally demeaning to pilots who are only doing their best and trying to do the RIGHT thing knowing their actions will stand up to scrutiny by their superiors. It used to be that incidents had a professional investigation before stones were cast. Now, instant Pprune judgement takes place on the sparsest of information followed by amateur criticism of professionals before the sun goes down. Perhaps if more people were prepared to WAIT a few days before firing off a broadside it would help. But in the meantime, we can all expect types like 411A to leap in without a thought (but a lot of prejudice!).
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Actually Notso...
It was at a rather large Far Eastern carrier many years ago that I first ran into the Superior Airways crowd...and it would appear that they haven't changed all that much in the meantime.
You personally appear to be a perfect example.
Still, most everyone is entitled to their opinion...you included.
It was at a rather large Far Eastern carrier many years ago that I first ran into the Superior Airways crowd...and it would appear that they haven't changed all that much in the meantime.
You personally appear to be a perfect example.
Still, most everyone is entitled to their opinion...you included.
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In my previous life and the one before that, I have employed many ex-BA pilots, both long haul and short. This over a period of around twenty-five years.
Some may have held pre-conceived ideas that these pilots would indeed turn out to be a somewhat condescending lot, out to teach the industry a few lessons.
The fact of the matter is that these chaps were, to a man, excellent employees who were held in high regard by all who came into contact with them, both in the air and on the ground and served as role models for many a young co-pilot..
Some may have held pre-conceived ideas that these pilots would indeed turn out to be a somewhat condescending lot, out to teach the industry a few lessons.
The fact of the matter is that these chaps were, to a man, excellent employees who were held in high regard by all who came into contact with them, both in the air and on the ground and served as role models for many a young co-pilot..
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I have to agree with Boris.I first came into contact with the 'retired' BA pilots back in the '70's and they all gave good value. Over the years that has not changed. 411 normally comes out with reasonably sensible comments, but this time it smacks of sour grapes.
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How then do you explain the less than 40% retention rate (within 4 months) for the ex-Superior Airways guys in, for example SaudiArabian for the period 1980-1990? Having been involved in training there, I should know.
Strange that the Brits who survived there were nearly all ex-independent airlines' guys....BUA, DanAir...gosh, even ex-GF, altho that was a stretch.
Could it be that they just could "get along better"?
The Saudis' could see thru the ex-BA guys in five minutes and left them twisting slowly, slowly in the wind.
How then do you explain the less than 40% retention rate (within 4 months) for the ex-Superior Airways guys in, for example SaudiArabian for the period 1980-1990? Having been involved in training there, I should know.
Strange that the Brits who survived there were nearly all ex-independent airlines' guys....BUA, DanAir...gosh, even ex-GF, altho that was a stretch.
Could it be that they just could "get along better"?
The Saudis' could see thru the ex-BA guys in five minutes and left them twisting slowly, slowly in the wind.
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Question:
How then do you explain the less than 40% retention rate (within 4 months) for the ex-Superior Airways guys
Answer:
Having been involved in training there, I should know.
Anyone else begin to suspect there might be a connection?
How then do you explain the less than 40% retention rate (within 4 months) for the ex-Superior Airways guys
Answer:
Having been involved in training there, I should know.
Anyone else begin to suspect there might be a connection?
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This man is ill! He has a deep paranoia about ex-BA, a lifelong antipathy towards all majors, US and everywhere else. A sad, sad man as anyone will see if you go back over his postings. Such people can never be silenced, their paranoia goes too deep. He has, no doubt, done a lot of harm to peoples' careers if he has allegedly been involved in training. Leave him in his belief that somehow BA pilots are 'substandard', BA pilots are somehow 'evil', and US major pilots are whatever he thinks they are. I don't know what aviation backwater he has ended up in, but hopefully his involvement with it will inevitably soon end! Retirement looms 411?
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I have a theory that 411a is not in fact who he professes to be. He is in reallity another professional photographer committed to making the aviation profession a safer place.
As for the ex-BA rantings....... Having been to Saudi Arabia I must confess it is not a place I would choose to make my home.
As for the ex-BA rantings....... Having been to Saudi Arabia I must confess it is not a place I would choose to make my home.
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To be absolutely fair and "unbiased", will have to say that the older BA guys I met in SQ in the late 70's (especially the training Captains) were first rate. At that time SQ trained to proficiency in the aeroplane (B707) which resulted in 'round about forty circuits until the new F/O's could handle outboard engine failures at rotation correctly every time. By the time I saw these guys in line training their aircraft handling skills were very good, thanks to these folks.
Having said this, BA at that time was offering early retirements to rather younger Captains and these guys were really something to behold...and from the stories from some of the local F/O's...not liked at ALL.
But of course folks like Notso Fantastic would have no idea, having never worked anywhere else....
, will have to say that the older BA guys I met in SQ in the late 70's (especially the training Captains) were first rate. At that time SQ trained to proficiency in the aeroplane (B707) which resulted in 'round about forty circuits until the new F/O's could handle outboard engine failures at rotation correctly every time. By the time I saw these guys in line training their aircraft handling skills were very good, thanks to these folks.Having said this, BA at that time was offering early retirements to rather younger Captains and these guys were really something to behold...and from the stories from some of the local F/O's...not liked at ALL.
But of course folks like Notso Fantastic would have no idea, having never worked anywhere else....
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You have a paranoia (or neurosis- I'm not too up on mental illness!) second to one other person! Take pleasure in the fact that bad though you are, that complete idiot (and charlatan) Guvnerd, is (or thankfully 'was') ACTUALLY WORSE than you!
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Well perhaps you could take them to heart and question where and why deep down inside you, you feel such hostility to retired BA pilots, US major pilots, in fact pilots of every shape, creed and colour that don't fit your ideal profile (one with an internet ID involving the following numbers 1, 1, 4, and a letter 'A'). Trying to be constructive rather than firing nasty missives in over 1500+ posts at every possible excuse to all and sundry might help.