Air France strike 6-9 Sept
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Air France strike 6-9 Sept
The BBC - Wednesday, 4 September, 2002, 18:21 GMT
Air France pilots to strike
Air France has said several of its pilot unions have called a strike for 6-9 September. The airline said its flight schedule would be severely disrupted on the four days, with medium- and long-haul flights most affected.
It promised customers it would "do its utmost to minimise the inconvenience" and "deplored" the action by pilots.
Announcement of the strike came after the failure on Wednesday of negotiations over contracts.
The airline said information on the flight schedule for 6-9 September would be available on its website from 1100 GMT on Thursday.
Air France pilots to strike
Air France has said several of its pilot unions have called a strike for 6-9 September. The airline said its flight schedule would be severely disrupted on the four days, with medium- and long-haul flights most affected.
It promised customers it would "do its utmost to minimise the inconvenience" and "deplored" the action by pilots.
Announcement of the strike came after the failure on Wednesday of negotiations over contracts.
The airline said information on the flight schedule for 6-9 September would be available on its website from 1100 GMT on Thursday.
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They better do it now, there is still some money left on 'Air Chance' bank account.
From Ananova: Profits fall at Air France
Air France says its net profit fell 19% to £104.9 million in the three months to June 30.
The state-owned airline also predicts flights would be "badly disrupted" when pilots walk out between Friday and Monday.
The firm says higher airport fees, leasing costs, insurance expenses and salaries exacerbated the impact of a 4.2% decline in passenger traffic in the first quarter of the year.
Tough business conditions have only been partially offset by an increase in freight traffic and cuts in capacity as well as contained operating expenses.
The carrier has seen its fuel costs fall 10%, helped in part by the dollar's weakness against the euro. Chartering costs have declined nearly 50% as Air France end a block-seat purchases pact with partner Delta Airlines.
However, other expenses have risen sharply, with premiums for war-associated risks pushing insurance costs up sharply. Fees charged by airports and air traffic controllers rose 8% in the quarter from a year earlier.
Air France also earlier announced that, like some other airlines, it was reducing capacity to meet a slump in ticket sales around September 11, the anniversary of the terror attacks in the United States last year.
From Ananova: Profits fall at Air France
Air France says its net profit fell 19% to £104.9 million in the three months to June 30.
The state-owned airline also predicts flights would be "badly disrupted" when pilots walk out between Friday and Monday.
The firm says higher airport fees, leasing costs, insurance expenses and salaries exacerbated the impact of a 4.2% decline in passenger traffic in the first quarter of the year.
Tough business conditions have only been partially offset by an increase in freight traffic and cuts in capacity as well as contained operating expenses.
The carrier has seen its fuel costs fall 10%, helped in part by the dollar's weakness against the euro. Chartering costs have declined nearly 50% as Air France end a block-seat purchases pact with partner Delta Airlines.
However, other expenses have risen sharply, with premiums for war-associated risks pushing insurance costs up sharply. Fees charged by airports and air traffic controllers rose 8% in the quarter from a year earlier.
Air France also earlier announced that, like some other airlines, it was reducing capacity to meet a slump in ticket sales around September 11, the anniversary of the terror attacks in the United States last year.
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Yes, those French pilots are among the last in europe with any real b***s. I'm tired of seeing our profession kicked downstairs. This is the only way to get some respect....allez France!
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Max alt.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
Sadly this forum is full of guys who mistakenly think the airline business is strapped for cash.. and consequently pilots should only be paid the same as tube drivers.
tossers!
That's exactly what I was thinking.
Sadly this forum is full of guys who mistakenly think the airline business is strapped for cash.. and consequently pilots should only be paid the same as tube drivers.
tossers!
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Watch and learn CX pilots...if you all had balls like the AF pilots, you'd have those "49ers" back on the line many moons ago.
I truly admire the airtight solidarity of the AF pilot group. Way to go and way to get things done. Better organized than any ALPA represented U.S. pilot group.
I truly admire the airtight solidarity of the AF pilot group. Way to go and way to get things done. Better organized than any ALPA represented U.S. pilot group.
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CDG feels a different place tonight - never seen so many babybus / 737's parked up along lengthy stretches of taxiway, and block times so short. At least the busses are back on.....no more 8 pax at a time from the aircraft to the gate in the handling agent's minibus.....
cheers,
starship.
cheers,
starship.
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Good luck to the Air France crews - at least they have got the guts to do something about their desire for higher wages - unlike many on this forum who just continually talk about doing something.
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I guess you could applaude the AF pilots for standing up against the company to demand what they might deserve but the problem is when the customer is being held hostage in the process. Personally, I feel no solidarity towards AF staff whatsoever and it seems that everytime I book or plan to fly with AF, a strike is being planned.
Go ahead, strike all you want but I suspect that I'm not the only potential customer AF have lost forever because of all the hassle these strikes causes.
On second thoughts, please strike even more. This way fewer people need to endure your unlimited hospitalty.......
Go ahead, strike all you want but I suspect that I'm not the only potential customer AF have lost forever because of all the hassle these strikes causes.
On second thoughts, please strike even more. This way fewer people need to endure your unlimited hospitalty.......
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So "Prettyboy", you feel no solidarity toward AF pilots?
Well I guess they feel no solidarity toward male models.
Nor do I.
So we're all square.
Never gonna travel AF again?
Well how about BA when they strike?
And Aer Lingus?
And Lufthansa etc etc....
With an attitude like that your travel options are gonna get pretty limited. Gonna take up transatlantic swimming? Or buy a rowing boat perhaps?
You're crackin' me up.
Well I guess they feel no solidarity toward male models.
Nor do I.
So we're all square.
Never gonna travel AF again?
Well how about BA when they strike?
And Aer Lingus?
And Lufthansa etc etc....
With an attitude like that your travel options are gonna get pretty limited. Gonna take up transatlantic swimming? Or buy a rowing boat perhaps?
You're crackin' me up.
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Dear Sir,
I have no hidden agenda, not implying anything, I’m just wondering what they make as the work action seems to be about an increase in pay. Not all strikes are about pay increase. Just curious what they make as compared to their counter-parts.
I have no hidden agenda, not implying anything, I’m just wondering what they make as the work action seems to be about an increase in pay. Not all strikes are about pay increase. Just curious what they make as compared to their counter-parts.
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% Mac
Toss that joint away. It is obviously very poor quality grass you're smoking mate ! Or is it you are sniffing glue ?
400 000 Euro ??? Do you even realize what you are saying when UAL 777 Captains were supposed to have signed the best ever contract last year with a take home pay of 300 000 USD ?
Air France Senior Captains ( 744 / 777 ) will be lucky if they take 153 000 Euro net pay before income taxes and that's as far as it goes.
Average short haul Captain takes 100 000 Euros a year ( before income taxes that depends on marital status, children.... ) , 18 / 20 days on stick ( 850 block hours a year )with duty times up to 10:30 hours. I wouldn't call that a walk in the park even if if it is a lot better than some other slave drivers in the industry. But do have to outshine them ?? I think NOT.
Spreading this kind of unfounded and unverified rumors like you do is pathetic and I suggest you stick your head back to where the moon doesn't shine. I kind'o lose my civil tone when angry.
Get your bloody act together will you !
Applauding Lufthansa strike last year and bashing Air France today when it is for the exact same reason and actually less than the 26 % they got. Where is your logic if you have any ?
As to the compagny's performance : Only 3 airlines currently make money in the world and in the following order :
Singapore, Qantas, Air France, even forseeing an increase in revenue despite the ongoing strike. Air France is still heavily recruiting pilots and I feel sorry if you're not one of them. No, I'll rephrase, I feel blessed you are not one of them.
I know this gives you heart burns but I'm afraid you'll have to live with it.
For the last batch of ignorant twitts lurking around this site, EEC rules do not allow subsidising and Air France, although state owned does not, will not receive a dime. One exeption though with the aftermath of Set 11 that applied to everyone within the EAA.
Our salary has been frozen for the last 7 years and the only increase one is likely to see is moving up to a larger aircraft. Our pension system is a ( bad ) joke and should you get a similar one you'd be pretty pissed off to and you'd be right.
As to the specifics, well, it would be very tiresome to describe the inner union feuds that have been going on and I think a breach of discretion, but they take a good part in what in is happening now.
You can disagree all you like with that strike, hate Air France pilots with you guts ; I do not give a hoot. I however get rather volatile when all of this is based on a bewildering lack of knowledge and information about the airline, it's social, economic and historical context. You of course have all the right in the world not to be interested in which case I'd be most greatfull if you could shutt the f..k up !
As to the CX 49, you can be pretty sure that we wouldn't have let such an appaling farce happen, let alone for one person and I have to say that for all its shortcomings, Air France is not the sort of airline where this would happen, Thank God and we'll do everyting for it to stay that way.
Do not forget that people are taking a risk to and very well know what the consequences would be should things go wrong and they already have with the share plunging 7,5 %. Almost all pilots are shareholders having exchanged part of their salaries against stock in the airline since 1998 .
Who said striking was fun ? We all hate it, but there comes a time where it is the only option you've got having used all others. Backing off with you tail between your legs might an option, doesn't seem to be the chosen one in this case. Should I quote Von Clausewitz or is this going to be a bit much for you ?
Good grief, this is a professional forum talking facts and we're not in Salem burning witches !!
Toss that joint away. It is obviously very poor quality grass you're smoking mate ! Or is it you are sniffing glue ?
400 000 Euro ??? Do you even realize what you are saying when UAL 777 Captains were supposed to have signed the best ever contract last year with a take home pay of 300 000 USD ?
Air France Senior Captains ( 744 / 777 ) will be lucky if they take 153 000 Euro net pay before income taxes and that's as far as it goes.
Average short haul Captain takes 100 000 Euros a year ( before income taxes that depends on marital status, children.... ) , 18 / 20 days on stick ( 850 block hours a year )with duty times up to 10:30 hours. I wouldn't call that a walk in the park even if if it is a lot better than some other slave drivers in the industry. But do have to outshine them ?? I think NOT.
Spreading this kind of unfounded and unverified rumors like you do is pathetic and I suggest you stick your head back to where the moon doesn't shine. I kind'o lose my civil tone when angry.
Get your bloody act together will you !
Applauding Lufthansa strike last year and bashing Air France today when it is for the exact same reason and actually less than the 26 % they got. Where is your logic if you have any ?
As to the compagny's performance : Only 3 airlines currently make money in the world and in the following order :
Singapore, Qantas, Air France, even forseeing an increase in revenue despite the ongoing strike. Air France is still heavily recruiting pilots and I feel sorry if you're not one of them. No, I'll rephrase, I feel blessed you are not one of them.
I know this gives you heart burns but I'm afraid you'll have to live with it.
For the last batch of ignorant twitts lurking around this site, EEC rules do not allow subsidising and Air France, although state owned does not, will not receive a dime. One exeption though with the aftermath of Set 11 that applied to everyone within the EAA.
Our salary has been frozen for the last 7 years and the only increase one is likely to see is moving up to a larger aircraft. Our pension system is a ( bad ) joke and should you get a similar one you'd be pretty pissed off to and you'd be right.
As to the specifics, well, it would be very tiresome to describe the inner union feuds that have been going on and I think a breach of discretion, but they take a good part in what in is happening now.
You can disagree all you like with that strike, hate Air France pilots with you guts ; I do not give a hoot. I however get rather volatile when all of this is based on a bewildering lack of knowledge and information about the airline, it's social, economic and historical context. You of course have all the right in the world not to be interested in which case I'd be most greatfull if you could shutt the f..k up !
As to the CX 49, you can be pretty sure that we wouldn't have let such an appaling farce happen, let alone for one person and I have to say that for all its shortcomings, Air France is not the sort of airline where this would happen, Thank God and we'll do everyting for it to stay that way.
Do not forget that people are taking a risk to and very well know what the consequences would be should things go wrong and they already have with the share plunging 7,5 %. Almost all pilots are shareholders having exchanged part of their salaries against stock in the airline since 1998 .
Who said striking was fun ? We all hate it, but there comes a time where it is the only option you've got having used all others. Backing off with you tail between your legs might an option, doesn't seem to be the chosen one in this case. Should I quote Von Clausewitz or is this going to be a bit much for you ?
Good grief, this is a professional forum talking facts and we're not in Salem burning witches !!
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Wallabie,
Hey man, relax a bit. I was just curious as to pecuniary benefits of being an AF pilot. I don’t fly international so I really don’t know what’s going on over there. The NPR reporter had mentioned that AF were one of the best paid in the industry, 153k sure isn’t in that group. But thanks for enlightening me, even if it was a tad acerbic.
Hey man, relax a bit. I was just curious as to pecuniary benefits of being an AF pilot. I don’t fly international so I really don’t know what’s going on over there. The NPR reporter had mentioned that AF were one of the best paid in the industry, 153k sure isn’t in that group. But thanks for enlightening me, even if it was a tad acerbic.
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>>...The NPR reporter had mentioned that AF were one of the best paid in the industry, 153k sure isn’t in that group.<<
Actually, $153 K would be great money most places except the U.S.
Even in these suddenly depressed economic times, we enjoy high wages and low prices compared most other countries. Now, if we can just enjoy continued employment...
Actually, $153 K would be great money most places except the U.S.
Even in these suddenly depressed economic times, we enjoy high wages and low prices compared most other countries. Now, if we can just enjoy continued employment...