Bouncy Bouncy (747-8 LAX landing)

[waito]

DLH 747-8 Bounced Landing LAX 2024

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This hard bouncing qualifies for an immediate GA decision, right?

[TooLowFlap]

To answer your question: yes, perfect decision.

[Ollie Onion]

Perfect execution of a go around after a bounced landing. Let’s be honest we have all done this or will do it at some stage.

[traveler24]

Would it have been prudent to leave the gear down on the go around since structural failure in the MLG mounting area was not known?

[bean]

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Appears to have been a pilot under line training. They caught up with the Embraer which had just departed as well, which, of course was not their fault

[waito]

not many 747 (ex-) jockeys here, right?

I wonder if we can see when exactly GA was executed. The spoilers extend twice. When applying (TOGA-) Thrust, doesn't that close Spoilers? Or do we see the right spoiler action from roll commands?

Line Training was confirmed from Lufthansa it seems. Does that mean the PIC immediately takes control per procedure? At GA?

Originally Posted by traveler24

Would it have been prudent to leave the gear down on the go around since structural failure in the MLG mounting area was not known?

good question.

On the other hand, 747 has shown to be extremely robust in many incidents WRT to undercarriage. I remember a Kai Tak landing with somehow hard touchdown at published 47° crab angle. There was even a video of that.

[EDLB]

+1 for Joe Sutter.

[Akrep]

CFIR Controled flight into runway

That flare looked so late it made the bounce even worse.
pivoted the end of the plane where the gears are down onto the runway.

[blimey]

There seems to be a deal of mirth going on in JetBlue 2836's cockpit judging by the reply to line up.

[212man]

Line Training was confirmed from Lufthansa it seems. Does that mean the PIC immediately takes control per procedure? At GA?

Well, the captain stayed on the radios, so I guess not

[Easy Street]

18 years on from this discussion of "position and hold" versus "line up", I wonder if the Lufthansa line trainee had been unsettled by SkyWest being cleared onto the runway ahead, which would have been at odds with his or her mental model if they'd understood "traffic will hold in position" to mean that SkyWest would be holding short. That's certainly how I understood it from the comfort of my chair in the UK, until I reminded myself of the US terminology after being surprised by the sequencing on the ATC playback. If that had anything to do with it, it'll be a lesson that P2 will never forget!

[Junkflyer]

I agree with what appears to be a late flare. The 747 classic is not at all difficult to land, but there is a lot of mass so energy management must be taken into consideration.
I would imagine the later models are similar.

[waito]

Originally Posted by Junkflyer

I agree with what appears to be a late flare. The 747 classic is not at all difficult to land, but there is a lot of mass so energy management must be taken into consideration.
I would imagine the later models are similar.

In fact, controlling and landing the 747 is on the least complicated side of most airplanes. So it is absolutely unlikely that the aircraft itself contributed to this unusual late flare.

We don't know if the Training cpt presented a challenge to the trainee, and whatever factor... but absent of an investigation we'll never know and anyway, it's probably not our business.

[Private jet]

Something happens to some pilots sometimes (no accusations to this, all i know is what i see here). They fly a perfect, stabilised approach, SOP's to the letter, speed fine, altitude fine, ROD fine. BUT then they go into some sort of hypnotic trance.... they freeze, make no attempt to flare. Very odd. My father (as the flight engineer) was involved with such an event on a 707 at Nassau in the 60's so it's not new. The Captain was handling, i was told he was so "hypnotized" the first officer took control for the go around and landing.

[Prob30Tempo TSRA]

Originally Posted by Private jet

Something happens to some pilots sometimes (no accusations to this, all i know is what i see here). They fly a perfect, stabilised approach, SOP's to the letter, speed fine, altitude fine, ROD fine. BUT then they go into some sort of hypnotic trance.... they freeze, make no attempt to flare. Very odd. My father (as the flight engineer) was involved with such an event on a 707 at Nassau in the 60's so it's not new. The Captain was handling, i was told he was so "hypnotized" the first officer took control for the go around and landing.

Startle factor

[Private jet]

Originally Posted by Prob30Tempo TSRA

Startle factor

Startled by what?

[Prob30Tempo TSRA]

Originally Posted by Private jet

Startled by what?

it’s easy to get distracted by another plane just getting airborne .

The 747 is different to all other Boeings as well

[Private jet]

Originally Posted by Prob30Tempo TSRA

it’s easy to get distracted by another plane just getting airborne .

The 747 is different to all other Boeings as well

If that's the truth then those involved have no place on a flightdeck, cockpit or even the drivers seat in a car! No better than racehorses then? they get "startled" easily . Highly paid & "trained" Pedigree Chum?
i was always concentrating on what i was doing, not watching other aircraft taking off.
(By the way a plane is either a flat surface or a woodworking tool, not a flying machine...)

[megan]

By the way a plane is either a flat surface or a woodworking tool, not a flying machine..

For one you'll have to tell the US Navy, they have "plane captains", the mechanic who is assigned to care for a particular airframe and from whom a pilot may be permitted to borrow said plane.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/di.../english/plane

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic.../english/plane

[Check Airman]

Originally Posted by Private jet

(By the way a plane is either a flat surface or a woodworking tool, not a flying machine...)

...and chips are tiny fragments of said surface or tool, not fried bits of potato