Light show between 40 and 30 West

[Flarkey]

To be fair, mick and Flarkey are pro ‘debunkers’. Mick even features on the history channel here and there……they're probably never going to claim "we don't know what it is yet."

Lol, hey nuisance79 - I'm certainly not a 'pro' as I don't make any money from this work. Also I'd hardly call myself a "debunker" either - all I'm doing is identifying things on videos that the camera-person wasn't able to identify at the time. I'm happy to accept that we don't know what everything that has been seen is yet, but I would add that we do know what has been captured in every video - Starlink satellites. The other thing that pilots have seen (like Selfmade92 talks about) hasn't yet been captured on video. Can't wait to see it when it is eventually recorded.

[albatross]

What the world really needs is a tutorial “How to photograph UFOs with a smartphone”.
Otherwise its …”Oh, look, another unidentifiable, out of focus, blob of light moving rapidly around an unsteady screen.” again and again, forever and ever, Amen!

[gb346]

Originally Posted by Selfmade92

I agree with the above video. But that is not what we see (nor is it what we talk about....). We see 1 light then 2, then 3. 2 lights circling around 1 light. then 1 light disappears to the right and 1 light circlies around the other. That light disappers. then 1 light remains and goes down up left right. left for a long shot and then right. its not a constant movement. the lights in the video do NOT do that. If it was just left to right... yea we all would agree it is satellites.... but it isn't.

Totally agree with your statement. I have seen these lights on 4 separate occasions in different parts of the skies (Middle East / Russia / North Africa). The last sighting was 2 nights ago. Lights were moving well above us and they were visible for around an hour. At one point, there were three bright lights motionless in the sky in the form of a triangle and after a few seconds of being stationary, they all move away from each other in different directions. Definitely not your typical satellite type of motion/trajectory.

[Flarkey]

Originally Posted by gb346

Totally agree with your statement. I have seen these lights on 4 separate occasions in different parts of the skies (Middle East / Russia / North Africa). The last sighting was 2 nights ago. Lights were moving well above us and they were visible for around an hour. At one point, there were three bright lights motionless in the sky in the form of a triangle and after a few seconds of being stationary, they all move away from each other in different directions. Definitely not your typical satellite type of motion/trajectory.

I assume that you didn't get any footage of these lights? It would be great to see them.

If you don't have video, then if you tell us the date, time & position of your aircraft and on what bearing the lights were we can check the astronomical and orbital parameters to rule in/out Starlink satellites as a possible explanation. ... ?

[nuisance79]

Originally Posted by Flarkey

I assume that you didn't get any footage of these lights? It would be great to see them.

If you don't have video, then if you tell us the date, time & position of your aircraft and on what bearing the lights were we can check the astronomical and orbital parameters to rule in/out Starlink satellites as a possible explanation. ... ?

The challenge is getting a clear picture of anything late at night though the windows of the Flight Deck due to quite a few factors including the reflection from the instruments and displays. Plus, there is other more important things to focus on some of the time

But you are right, its difficult without pictures/video footage

[Flarkey]

Originally Posted by nuisance79

The challenge is getting a clear picture of anything late at night though the windows of the Flight Deck due to quite a few factors including the reflection from the instruments and displays. Plus, there is other more important things to focus on some of the time

This is the crux of the matter and why I'm passionate about this. Whether or not we think these lights are caused by little green men or by earthly satellites - it is indisputable that they are distracting aircrew and causing confusion which can only adversely affect their concentration when they should be busy flying the plane. We need to understand what is being seen and then get that information out to the aircrew and ATC communities. Now that we can predict where and when the Starlink flares occur we should be able to publish this info in either an app or a Safety Information Bulletin. At least that part of this mystery can be addressed. When we get footage of the 'other thing' that pilots claim to be seeing then that should be similarly addressed.

What do you think would be the best way to get information about the Starlink flares to the Aviation Community?

[Flarkey]

Another video has been posted of 'orbs' seen by an airline pilot, this time a KLM pilot flying from South America to Amsterdam. Again this looks just like the starlink flares that have been seen recently. The video was posted by the "UAP Coalition Netherlands", a Dutch UFO Research group.

PH-Chucky - this might interest you.

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[Ninthace]

Originally Posted by Flarkey

Another video has been posted of 'orbs' seen by an airline pilot, this time a KLM pilot flying from South America to Amsterdam. Again this looks just like the starlink flares that have been seen recently. The video was posted by the "UAP Coalition Netherlands", a Dutch UFO Research group.

PH-Chucky - this might interest you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJkW...ionNetherlands

They look like some form of orbital phenomena, the two in the large circle light up and disappear at the same points in the sky.

[HOVIS]

An explanation of the Starlink flare phenomena at about 19 minutes....

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[ManuelK]

„Dancing“ lights

I found that just one year ago three dancing lights were sighted over the North atlantic. We saw them just two days ago again. We just passed N4500/W4530, east-bound, FL400. We were three pilots on the flight deck. I can assure that we did neither see sattelites nor some star formation. We could observe them for some 10 minutes.The objects moved in trajectories unlike the ones normaly done by planes. Impressive and strange at the same time!
Anybody with an explanaition?

[Flarkey]

Originally Posted by ManuelK

I found that just one year ago three dancing lights were sighted over the North atlantic. We saw them just two days ago again. We just passed N4500/W4530, east-bound, FL400. We were three pilots on the flight deck. I can assure that we did neither see sattelites nor some star formation. We could observe them for some 10 minutes.The objects moved in trajectories unlike the ones normaly done by planes. Impressive and strange at the same time!
Anybody with an explanaition?

Hey ManuelK - The usual explanation is flaring starlink satellites, that is where the sun glints off the chassis of the satellite from over the horizon. Pilots have been seeing lights likeyou describe for over a year now and on many occasions they, like you, said that they were definitely not satellites. However, on closer investigation , it was shown that flaring starlink satellites would have been visible in the same part of the sky at the same time as their sighting. Some of them accepted starlink flares as an explanation , some didnt. I've seen starlink flares multiple times from the ground and they do look very weird, I'd even say that they dont look like traditional satellites do, and they do appear to move in strange trajectories. This video explains what the starlink flares are.

You said that you were "passed N4500/W4530, east-bound, FL400" - Did you get any video or photos? if you post what date & time your sighting was I can check if starlink flare would have been visible at that moment. (happy to keep this to DMs if you dont want that published). We now understand what the conditions are for the flares to occur, and there's even a starlink flare simulator application: Sitrec nightsky (metabunk.org)

F.

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[Turbo Encabulator]

Strange lights vicinity Hokkaido to Kamchatka

If this has already been posted I couldn't find it.

Not going to call them UFOs, but a lot of people have been seeing them in the last few months. We saw them the other night near NUBDA (near Hokkaido) looking WNW. Nothing spectacular, just lights where they were and what they were doing didn't make sense. Anyone else been seeing it?

[JanetFlight]

Regarding Pacific i cant tell anything, but two evenings ago here on the Iberian Peninsula it was already the same old story with lots of TAP's and Iberias chatting on the freq about the same old lights and patterns that we are seeing for almost two years and the same old story of being Elon Musk machines & Sats wich is starting to be a very ridiculous excuse...

[Max Angle]

It is only ridiculous if you don't understand how the Starlink constellation is being put together, 20+ satellites per launch into both west/east and polar orbits from two different launch locations.

[jolihokistix]

Just had a look for reports in the Japanese press and found various videos with comments by 'experts', but nothing in English.

[TURIN]

SpaceX have been launching these for years, up to 48 satellites on each launch, with as many as three launches per week.

[Oasis]

A bunch of us saw something over the UK Channel as well a few weeks ago at night. Lasted about an hour till we descended back down through the clouds.
Couple of lights circling each other at very high altitude towards the west, white and intermittently increasing and decreasing in intensity. Sometimes remaining still, then swooping down again going up etc. Going in different direction, so not a satellite. Can't fathom what it was, doesn't make sense and is bothering me.

Never believed in any of the UAP hooplah (alien/Mil), until I saw that.

Not Starlink, seen that already, doesn't go in circles.

[JanetFlight]

Originally Posted by Max Angle

It is only ridiculous if you don't understand how the Starlink constellation is being put together, 20+ satellites per launch into both west/east and polar orbits from two different launch locations.

Indeed i do Understand how it works and how is being "put together"...My dear nephew he's an Aerospace Engineer working on it for years,

Merry Xmas , Peace <3

[Max Angle]

So why is it "ridiculous" for it to be Starlink?

[TURIN]

Originally Posted by Oasis

A bunch of us saw something over the UK Channel as well a few weeks ago at night. Lasted about an hour till we descended back down through the clouds.
Couple of lights circling each other at very high altitude towards the west, white and intermittently increasing and decreasing in intensity. Sometimes remaining still, then swooping down again going up etc. Going in different direction, so not a satellite. Can't fathom what it was, doesn't make sense and is bothering me.

Never believed in any of the UAP hooplah (alien/Mil), until I saw that.

Not Starlink, seen that already, doesn't go in circles.

It IS Starlink satellites. They appear to change direction but it's an illusion. Scroll up the thread you will see a couple of videos that explain the phenomenon.