Light show between 40 and 30 West
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Planet Earth is in man-made turmoil right now and when this has happened in the past , UFO sightings have increased .
In 40 years of professional flying, I have been witness to only one sighting but heard of many. Of course we are not alone !.
In 40 years of professional flying, I have been witness to only one sighting but heard of many. Of course we are not alone !.
You’ve been on the Commanderia again Gordo ?
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Lights over the Atlantic
Much talk on internal forums about this. Very hard to take pics in low light conditions. Has also apparently been seen over the pacific.
Numerous sources, reliable and consistent accounts. Sometimes the lights move left to right, sometimes create shapes (eg triangles) an sometimes just coming on and off (what I’ve seen) like stars but with constant periodicity.
At first I thought just a slowly rotating geostationary satellite catching the sunlight, but the movement is quite unlike previously seen satellite activity.
Numerous sources, reliable and consistent accounts. Sometimes the lights move left to right, sometimes create shapes (eg triangles) an sometimes just coming on and off (what I’ve seen) like stars but with constant periodicity.
At first I thought just a slowly rotating geostationary satellite catching the sunlight, but the movement is quite unlike previously seen satellite activity.
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Most definitely not! I have been flying the atlantic for 34 years and have never seen anything unusual. However on 17th Nov 2022 I was eastbound and between 40 West and 30 West I saw things I have never seen before.
There were a couple of objects moving which were clearly not aircraft and may well have been satellites. Not very unusual. However then there was a bright light similar to Venus (but not Venus which I have seen hundreds of times) but more like an aircraft head on with its landing lights on, except it suddenly went sideways at great speed for 10 seconds but then reversed its direction.
That disappeared but a few minutes later there was another not so well lit object with another similar one visible. These two then moved very fast in the same direction but not in sufficient formation to be a reflection and then one reversed direction and then after a pause the other changed its direction and followed slowly catching it up.
About this time an American accented voice on 123.45 said "Is anyone else seeing some very strange lights in the sky around 40 West?" Several other voices joined the conversation and there was then a discussion and someone suggested Elon Musk's Starling satellites. However everyone agreed they could not have changed direction like that.
Collective suggestibility? You were all listening in to the excited comments.
Were you perhaps looking too intensely at celestial objects in the dark, thus making them appear to move about?
Were you perhaps looking too intensely at celestial objects in the dark, thus making them appear to move about?
There were a couple of objects moving which were clearly not aircraft and may well have been satellites. Not very unusual. However then there was a bright light similar to Venus (but not Venus which I have seen hundreds of times) but more like an aircraft head on with its landing lights on, except it suddenly went sideways at great speed for 10 seconds but then reversed its direction.
That disappeared but a few minutes later there was another not so well lit object with another similar one visible. These two then moved very fast in the same direction but not in sufficient formation to be a reflection and then one reversed direction and then after a pause the other changed its direction and followed slowly catching it up.
About this time an American accented voice on 123.45 said "Is anyone else seeing some very strange lights in the sky around 40 West?" Several other voices joined the conversation and there was then a discussion and someone suggested Elon Musk's Starling satellites. However everyone agreed they could not have changed direction like that.
Thank you for your post. If I may reiterate: I do not seek to dismiss unusual sightings out of hand. I am keen to achieve as much clarity as is currently possible.
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Do we all accept that Starlink Flares are the answer then?
I for one think its worth extended discussion and I would prefer more clarity on what we are seeing.
I for one think its worth extended discussion and I would prefer more clarity on what we are seeing.
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Unfortunately extended discussion won't get us very far. Eye witness testimony will always be questioned as it is subjective. The only way we can get clarity on what has been seen is through a video with accurate time & location date (or a flight number & time so that location can be derived through ADSB data). This is how we have objectively confirmed that all the videos so far have been Starlink. And it's the only way that a claim that the lights could not have been Starlink will be confirmed too.
Really, all the proper, science based explanations have passed in this thread, there is no doubt any longer.
JOKE —-I can reply with the truth and photos to prove it but the noise of all the black helicopters circling the house is distracting and now. there are 2 fellows in black suits at the door wanting to do a survey of my computer use in exchange for a free pen they are showing me…(RED FLASH).
Hummm…..who are you guys and I forget what I was about to post…oops all my photos are missing from my computer…strange!——JOKE OVER.
Hummm…..who are you guys and I forget what I was about to post…oops all my photos are missing from my computer…strange!——JOKE OVER.
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Er...I'm the one who has provided the science based explainations in this thread! 🤣 👍
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Hello.
Last night i saw something that i cannot explain. This phenomena happen for 2 hours until I start my descent. I was flying to Barcelona vor and i spotted what i thought that was a satellite. Commented with my FO, but he did not see it. After a few minutes, the same pattern. That raised the alarms, and now we both started to pay more attention.
We saw what looked like a star, and then another star appeared on the right side and crossed the first star. After a few seconds both disappeared. Was about out height, on the horizon. We saw several times this pattern, separated by some 3/4 min. Always about 1 o clock of our aircraft, witch-ever heading we were flying.
Reaching Madrid, the pattern changed a little. Just one light, stronger, that appeared to move in a circle on the same plain as ours. When was inbound was a strong light, than started to fade and disappeared. When we started descend to Lisbon, we crossed some high clouds and we stop seeing that.
I reported it to the controllers, and asked if there was a military exercise or an military area. They did not have any info on that.
It was my first time seeing something like that, i cannot understand what it was, but pretty sure that is something that someone can explain.
Last night i saw something that i cannot explain. This phenomena happen for 2 hours until I start my descent. I was flying to Barcelona vor and i spotted what i thought that was a satellite. Commented with my FO, but he did not see it. After a few minutes, the same pattern. That raised the alarms, and now we both started to pay more attention.
We saw what looked like a star, and then another star appeared on the right side and crossed the first star. After a few seconds both disappeared. Was about out height, on the horizon. We saw several times this pattern, separated by some 3/4 min. Always about 1 o clock of our aircraft, witch-ever heading we were flying.
Reaching Madrid, the pattern changed a little. Just one light, stronger, that appeared to move in a circle on the same plain as ours. When was inbound was a strong light, than started to fade and disappeared. When we started descend to Lisbon, we crossed some high clouds and we stop seeing that.
I reported it to the controllers, and asked if there was a military exercise or an military area. They did not have any info on that.
It was my first time seeing something like that, i cannot understand what it was, but pretty sure that is something that someone can explain.
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Hello.
I reported it to the controllers, and asked if there was a military exercise or an military area. They did not have any info on that.
It was my first time seeing something like that, i cannot understand what it was, but pretty sure that is something that someone can explain.
I reported it to the controllers, and asked if there was a military exercise or an military area. They did not have any info on that.
It was my first time seeing something like that, i cannot understand what it was, but pretty sure that is something that someone can explain.
(Feel free to DM me of you don't want the details published).
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Hey jds_portugal If you send me the date, time & flight number that you saw this I can check to see if the Starlink explanation checks out....? (Feel free to DM me of you don't want the details published).
(Feel free to DM me of you don't want the details published).Was flight TP843, from FCO to LIS. I think first sight around the border space from marseille to barcelona control, and then until after ccs vor.
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jds_portugal here's your flight track. For simplicity I have taken a point on your flight near Madrid, at 20:37UTC
At this time the sun was practically due West and about 44 degrees below the horizon. These fit with the condition where we expect to see Starlink flares. Checking on in-the-sky.org shows that there were multiple Starlink Satellites on the horizon around that time. So it is at least 'possible' that you saw Starlink flaring. If you check the videos I posted earlier in the thread you can see what they look like and if they matched what you saw.
At this time the sun was practically due West and about 44 degrees below the horizon. These fit with the condition where we expect to see Starlink flares. Checking on in-the-sky.org shows that there were multiple Starlink Satellites on the horizon around that time. So it is at least 'possible' that you saw Starlink flaring. If you check the videos I posted earlier in the thread you can see what they look like and if they matched what you saw.
Terminology
I offer a quote from Stanton T. Friedman:
Not all UFOs are flying saucers, but all flying saucers are UFOs.
As well the
