Schengen given up
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Schengen given up
It seems that Schengen open borders are about to be given up in a number of additional European countries, due to continuing difficulties, and not connected to Covid. What impact could this have on operations, particularly arrivals at airports which have dismantled onetime border posts. Detailed here :
Temporary Reintroduction of Border Control (europa.eu)
Temporary Reintroduction of Border Control (europa.eu)
It seems that Schengen open borders are about to be given up in a number of additional European countries, due to continuing difficulties, and not connected to Covid. What impact could this have on operations, particularly arrivals at airports which have dismantled onetime border posts. Detailed here :
Temporary Reintroduction of Border Control (europa.eu)
Temporary Reintroduction of Border Control (europa.eu)
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This is an old story .just announcing they can do , not that they permanently do it .France has reinstalled border controls since the bataclan terrorist attacks in November 2015 , but not everywhere all the time . You can still cross the Belgian-French border on the motorway at 100 km/h for instance 99% of the time .
This is an old story .just announcing they can do , not that they permanently do it .France has reinstalled border controls since the bataclan terrorist attacks in November 2015 , but not everywhere all the time . You can still cross the Belgian-French border on the motorway at 100 km/h for instance 99% of the time .
The French/Spanish authorities will occasionally chuck in random border/passport/ID/customs checks on some roads on the mutual border not a million miles from Chez Nous....they have done so for years.
Very occasionally (especially in the wake of terrorist attacks, or if there's a high profile event in town) the PAF (Border Police) at the local airport will check the documentation of all arrivals, even the paperwork of those travelling within the Schengen zone.
You mean they have the ability to 'take back control' of their own borders without leaving the EU?
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I was actually hopeful to consider, rather than getting into yet another B****t for/against slanging match, what the implications are for airports, where many have dismantled border control equipment for Schengen arrivals, and segregated these from non-Schengen ones, when such checks are reinstated. Likewise for departures within Schengen, where full visa etc checks may be required rather than just ID checks.
I was actually hopeful to consider, rather than getting into yet another B****t for/against slanging match, what the implications are for airports, where many have dismantled border control equipment for Schengen arrivals, and segregated these from non-Schengen ones, when such checks are reinstated. Likewise for departures within Schengen, where full visa etc checks may be required rather than just ID checks.
But in the case of a hypothetical reinstatement at airports... Same result as during COVID I suppose. Instead of funneling pax exiting the aircraft into the Schengen area, you get funneled into the non-Shengen area?
I was actually hopeful to consider, rather than getting into yet another B****t for/against slanging match, what the implications are for airports, where many have dismantled border control equipment for Schengen arrivals, and segregated these from non-Schengen ones, when such checks are reinstated. Likewise for departures within Schengen, where full visa etc checks may be required rather than just ID checks.
The authorities often switch the config during the day depending on the schedules as the demand changes for Schengen and non Schengen compliant arrivals and departures
...what the implications are for airports, where many have dismantled border control equipment for Schengen arrivals, and segregated these from non-Schengen ones, when such checks are reinstated. Likewise for departures within Schengen, where full visa etc checks may be required rather than just ID checks.
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Denmark has had passport checks on the Swedish and German land/sea borders for some time now. I have been waived through in a car twice in each direction (both times with Danish plates and heading to/from Germany over land and sea, but most recently, last week, I crossed into Denmark from Germany by train and we stopped for about 20 minutes while border police came though the train at Padborg.
I think most sizeable European airports can deal with shifting demand much like the aforementioned French airport, or at a push, data can be shared from around the EU with arrival countries before flights land, meaning anyone who shouldn't be traveling can get apprehended on arrival.
I think most sizeable European airports can deal with shifting demand much like the aforementioned French airport, or at a push, data can be shared from around the EU with arrival countries before flights land, meaning anyone who shouldn't be traveling can get apprehended on arrival.
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WHBM : no problems with those for airport control if that was your question. In Germany for instance when they want to control a Schengen flight they have 2 police guards at the entrance of the jetway controlling IDs as pax exit the aircraft it can take 5-10 min more to disembark that is all .
The Schengen treaty is not given up as your title says , just one of its provisions is applied more often , not really surprising considering the geopolitic dangerous situation we have in Europe currently
The Schengen treaty is not given up as your title says , just one of its provisions is applied more often , not really surprising considering the geopolitic dangerous situation we have in Europe currently
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Heads up!
I've got first hand info on guys crossing the Belgium/Holland border and being pulled over. If you're a non EU resident, or god forbid, a Brit, and without an EU work permit, you've got some explaining to do. This is specifically targetting aircrew operating out of Liege. The border patrol are stopping cars between Liege and Maastricht.
I've got first hand info on guys crossing the Belgium/Holland border and being pulled over. If you're a non EU resident, or god forbid, a Brit, and without an EU work permit, you've got some explaining to do. This is specifically targetting aircrew operating out of Liege. The border patrol are stopping cars between Liege and Maastricht.
Our Gib registered cars are regularly pulled over when across the border in Spain. Recently a lady was threatened with arrest by police if the next time she was stopped and could not produce an international driving licence.
We are still hoping that the proposed treaty between Gibraltar and Spain/EU will be implemented that will then mean that these strict Schengen rules will only apply at the airport and seaport.
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This Tuesday I crossed the german-dutch and then the dutch-belgian border at 100 km/h. No border control nobody got pulled over including on the way back. First hand info.
Problem is Gib was never really part of the Eu even when the UK was IIRC - and of course it has a history all of it's own
You can't use it as a general Schengen example I'm afarid
You can't use it as a general Schengen example I'm afarid
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We get this "Schengen" hassle on a daily basis here in Gibraltar when crossing the frontier in and out of Spain
What never ceased to amaze me with my British colleagues and friends is that they always had themselves strict border controls themselves , even before Brexit , but now after Brexit they still expect to cross the EU borders freely as before. As a recent French Foreign minister said : "the British people have to realize that the border between UK and the EU is now the same border as Poland with Belarus , or Estonia with Russia ".
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Heads up!
I've got first hand info on guys crossing the Belgium/Holland border and being pulled over. If you're a non EU resident, or god forbid, a Brit, and without an EU work permit, you've got some explaining to do. This is specifically targetting aircrew operating out of Liege. The border patrol are stopping cars between Liege and Maastricht.
I've got first hand info on guys crossing the Belgium/Holland border and being pulled over. If you're a non EU resident, or god forbid, a Brit, and without an EU work permit, you've got some explaining to do. This is specifically targetting aircrew operating out of Liege. The border patrol are stopping cars between Liege and Maastricht.
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Being the cynic that I am, IŽd say Europe reintroduces border control to keep the taxpayers from fleeing. Cause, reducing or controlling immigration is not on the agenda...