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Old 20th Sep 2022, 14:56
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I would say that it will take blood on their hands to change the culture but after AF4590 (Concorde crash), AF358 (A340 crash) and AF447 (A330 crash) the culture appears to be the same or worse - A320 crew in fisticuffs & perfectly serviceable 777 handling incident in recent years. And these are only the incidents that make it out of the internal AF system, get investigated by BEA and THEN get publicised.

As an aside; I think it's logical and reasonable to assess culture and rank individual cultures objectively against others. A roundabout way of supporting that argument is the common theme that multiculturalism is a good thing because it allows positive aspects from one culture to augment or replace aspects of the other culture. If all cultures were equally positive/negative then multiculturalism would be a neutral aspect of migration. And if there are positives then there must be negatives. These can be identified, measured and ranked accordingly.



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Old 22nd Sep 2022, 13:02
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Not an Aviation thing, but in the Big UK based, Global, Corporate that I used to work in, we taught Hofstede and Trompenaars across the world. Cultural stuff was v v important.

(Not only to explain what us stupid Brits were up to)
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Old 23rd Sep 2022, 20:08
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-bust-up.html
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Old 24th Sep 2022, 23:42
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Originally Posted by Ancient Observer View Post
Not an Aviation thing, but in the Big UK based, Global, Corporate that I used to work in, we taught Hofstede and Trompenaars across the world. Cultural stuff was v v important.

(Not only to explain what us stupid Brits were up to)
That is good to hear. Cross cultural working is taught in many UK airlines and at least one major middle east carrier. "When cultures collide"... was the bible. James Reason and Bob Helmreich were the masters of Crew Resource Management. Saves lives.
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Old 25th Sep 2022, 05:45
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On joining a major Far East airline I had to attend a two day "Cross Cultural Awareness Course". It was conducted by a professor from a prestigious local university, who was also an expat, and there were several different nationalities making up the class. What was notable though was that there were no "locals" there which showed that the "awareness" was only going to be applied one way!
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Old 25th Sep 2022, 22:25
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Originally Posted by Fly3 View Post
On joining a major Far East airline I had to attend a two day "Cross Cultural Awareness Course". It was conducted by a professor from a prestigious local university, who was also an expat, and there were several different nationalities making up the class. What was notable though was that there were no "locals" there which showed that the "awareness" was only going to be applied one way!
You are absolutely correct and unfortunately things are not changing. Fear is the main tool.
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