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Old 25th Aug 2022, 20:25
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Originally Posted by zerograv
Rest assured that the Boeings and Airbuses that Putin confiscated will continue to fly for a very long time.
For parts and whatever, those can always be smuggled via China, or even be 'Made in China'.
Aren't Airbuses and Boeings licensed to be assembled in China ? They are ! Therefore, whatever happens to be necessary, can certainly be arranged ...
A bit of thread drift ...
Putin would not go for Ukraine without the huge backdoor called China. China will benefit of the vast Russian natural resources, and there isn't that much stuff that Putin can not get via China. It is, as China normally calls it, a 'win win' situation.
Makes sense to me.
Originally Posted by FUMR
And what if sanctions are brought against China for aiding Russia to bypass the sanctions against them? There are over 2000 Airbus alone in China. Not sure about Boeings.
The risks of imposing sanctions on China are a bit higher, though, so whomever considers this will tread with great caution.
Originally Posted by Less Hair
They will end up like those US-made cars in Cuba.
I was thinking something similar (how long the Tomcats kept flying in Iran) but yours is a better example.
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Old 25th Aug 2022, 20:57
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The Boeings and Airbuses owned by Russian airlines have been written off. They'll be canabilized, they'll become death traps over time, and that's a shame, but I suppose it serves them right for pinching them from the lessors in the first place.

These aircraft will never step foot out of Russia ever again, or they'll be impounded immediately for airworthiness reasons, obviously. Their maintenance records won't be in order, ever. So will never be airworthy.

And Russian made aircraft won't be approved airworthy by Western authorities for many, many years going forward.

This is how it plays out. What a shame for Russia, and it's people.

If China gets involved, well, the West has already shown that we can stomach higher energy bills to counteract the Russian scheme and do the right thing. It's not a great leap to imagine people don't need the latest plastic junk, or a 75 inch television for 500 euros. The Chinese can go to the sin bin too. After all, there's a few people bitter about how things played out with the seasonal flu 2019-2021.

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Old 26th Aug 2022, 07:03
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Originally Posted by cura
Holding War risk insurance on a lease is one thing, insurance against a special military operation is another.
The merit of the claim will be decided based on the fine print in the insurance contract, and has nothing to do with what newspeak terminology the belligerents wish to use.
In any case, it is not the war risk that applies, that covers damage to or destruction of the aircraft/occupants due to military action. This falls more into the political risk category (state expropriation without compensation) which is a completely different animal.
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Old 26th Aug 2022, 10:54
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A somewhat simplistic overview of how Aeroflot's WB fleet is currently being used: How Aeroflot Is Surviving After Russia's Invasion of Ukraine — Part 1: Widebodies
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