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Wizzair CEO telling crews to fly fatigued

Old 11th Jun 2022, 11:08
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Roster pattern 14/7

More or less like this:
Day - Check in time - flights - Block time - Duty time
  1. 6:45 4 9:10 14:00
  2. 13:20 4 7:40 11:00
  3. E-training
  4. 18:05 2 6:00 8:30
  5. OFF
  6. OFF
  7. 6:20 2 5:00 7:25
  8. 3:45 2 4:25 6:40
  9. 3:50 2 2:30 4:45
  10. 3:45 2 7:25 9:45
  11. RSVD
  12. 11:20 2 4:30 6:50
  13. OFF
  14. OFF
  15. 7:00 2 3:30 5:30
  16. 5:20 2 5:50 8:50
  17. 4:55 2 7:00 9:10
  18. 5:00 2 6:45 9:05
  19. 7:00 4 8:05 11:30
  20. 12:30 2 6:00 9:15
  21. OFF
  22. OFF
  23. 5:00 2 4:10 6:05
  24. 5:05 2 6:00 8:15
  25. 8:30 2 5:35 9:45
  26. SBY
  27. 4:45 2 4:10 6:20
  28. OFF
  29. OFF
  30. OFF
  31. OFF
  32. OFF
  33. OFF
  34. 5:00 2 5:50 8:10
  35. 5:00 2 6:00 8:30
  36. 5:10 2 5:25 9:00 followed by E training
  37. 10:50 2 3:25 6:50
  38. OFF
  39. OFF
  40. 6:00 4 7:10 11:00
  41. 11:00 2 4:00 6:30
  42. 12:30 2 5:45 7:50
  43. 11:00 2 4:30 9:30
  44. 12:00 2 4:40 8:20
  45. 11:00 2 4:20 6:50
  46. OFF
  47. OFF
  48. 5:00 2 2:30 4:50
  49. 6:00 2 5:15 8:45
  50. 5:15 2 4:15 6:40
  51. 5:20 2 5:00 7:20
  52. 6:00 2 4:25 6:10 followed by E training
  53. OFF
  54. OFF
  55. 5:25 2 6:10 8:40
  56. 12:00 2 6:00 8:10
  57. E training
  58. SBY
  59. 11:10 2 4:30 9:00
  60. E training
During this time I think I've been called four times from OFF, I accepted once.
There were more SBYs, which got replaced by duty.
There were some duties which got removed due to the 100 hr in 28 days limit.

In case you missed it, I'm on 14/7.
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Old 11th Jun 2022, 12:13
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IM SAFE from ever receiving a pension.
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Old 11th Jun 2022, 12:48
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Wowww...Jeez, if i may ask, and regarding salary, is it worth or not at all.? ..for example as a F/O with all that naughty roster you showed us, how much could be received by month?
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Old 11th Jun 2022, 13:04
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For those flights, you can expect 3k-5k € net depending in which country you are and whether you are senior or junior, married with kids or not.

Is it worth it?
Ask me that again on the second OFF when I realize it's time to force me to go to sleep for the next morning marathon, while I'm wondering if I had enough rest.
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Old 11th Jun 2022, 14:03
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Originally Posted by RichardJones View Post
Couldn't agree more. Well said. Oh hang on, we are allowed to think it as it's common knowledge. But we can't say it. This is the new master race of Europes airline. It's where national pride takes presidence, over safety. The ICAO official language is English. Except for the above.
Don't think its just the French that commute long distances before flying. Despite Colgan still happens in the US
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Old 12th Jun 2022, 02:54
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I remember my time in wizz was not too bad, rosters were 6/4 and getting vacation wasn't too difficult., changing bases were solely up to the individual's date of submission.

Things changed however around 2016/17 (that's why i left) with a new mob taking over BUD. Some smaller base closures followed with crews getting reassigned with short or no notice, random rosters on most bases became the new norm. Also base changing policy became somewhat less transparent favouring those closer to the inner circle, not answering your phone on your day off started to have repercussions like getting your vacation requests denied or reassigned by those very base captains and managers who were the go to guys on deciding the fate of 1000 employees back in April 2020.

Could it get any worse? It did as it seems.

Will the downward spiral stop? It's only up to you guys and gals in wizz at the moment.
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Old 12th Jun 2022, 06:28
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Originally Posted by RichardJones View Post
Couldn't agree more. Well said. Oh hang on, we are allowed to think it as it's common knowledge. But we can't say it. This is the new master race of Europes airline. It's where national pride takes presidence, over safety. The ICAO official language is English. Except for the above.
Arabic, Chinese, English, French, Russian, Spanish.
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Old 12th Jun 2022, 08:05
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Jeez

Many thanks for the roster info.......and


ATB
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Old 12th Jun 2022, 08:07
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The CEO should be spoken to by the appropriate authority.

All Ops manuals will have a line that runs, “a pilot must not operate when fatigued’.

Easy to say when sat in my armchair, but until crew have the guts to call Ops and tell them they are fatigued then nothing will change.

And yes, I have done it myself, and I know of the pressure that follows. I also speak as someone who kept fit and avoided the parties down-route. So I also know why some complain of ‘fatigue’.
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Old 12th Jun 2022, 10:59
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Wizz interview

Hello everyone I wish you all well,

anyone help me with advise or tips for wizz interview in Budapest this month,especially the test
applied as experienced A320 fo

thankyou everyone
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Old 12th Jun 2022, 11:33
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Originally Posted by sr71bbc View Post
Hello everyone I wish you all well,

anyone help me with advise or tips for wizz interview in Budapest this month,especially the test
applied as experienced A320 fo

thankyou everyone
Have you actually read this thread...?

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Old 12th Jun 2022, 12:39
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When I saw this statement for the first time I couldn't believe in the blantant arogance of this CEO.
We all know these things are happening all the time, but it was all behind the curtain.
Going with it so openly is a whole new chapter.
I think it's a right time to make it a criminal offence coercing people to work shen fatigued.
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Old 12th Jun 2022, 23:38
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Originally Posted by sr71bbc View Post
Hello everyone I wish you all well,

anyone help me with advise or tips for wizz interview in Budapest this month,especially the test
applied as experienced A320 fo

thankyou everyone
Fail springs to mind!
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Old 13th Jun 2022, 04:15
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Originally Posted by sr71bbc View Post
Hello everyone I wish you all well,

anyone help me with advise or tips for wizz interview in Budapest this month,especially the test
applied as experienced A320 fo

thankyou everyone
This has to be a wind up!!!
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Old 13th Jun 2022, 05:28
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If sr71bbc is helped to pass the interview maybe on less FO will be forced to work longer hours
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Old 13th Jun 2022, 08:14
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Originally Posted by IcanCmyhousefromhere View Post
6th consecutive early”. They do that? Unbelievable. How many days to recover from that? Working that sort of roster is clearly not viable for anyone. The management should fly with a crew for a few weeks to appreciate quite how tiring it is. Well done the pilots for declaring unfit. It takes courage.
They used offer 6 days On and 4 days Off, and the other option was 6 On, 1 Off, 6 On and 7 days Off.
They rostered you with early start on Day 1, and late finish on Day 6, and would always have a transition from early to late duty, and very often have a double transition in one block.

Wizz crew do not have the balls to stand up against their CEO or management, it's a culture of fear.
Upper management are the bad apples, but this is the way they want it.
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Old 13th Jun 2022, 09:35
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Originally Posted by Rwy in Sight View Post
If sr71bbc is helped to pass the interview maybe on less FO will be forced to work longer hours
Nobody is forced to do anything. The aircraft doesn’t fly without the pilot, people need to grow a back bone. The company are in no position to be bullying the few pilots they have.

These clowns only speak in dollar signs. Things will only change when it hits the bottom line, and it gives me great pleasure to see that for Wizz it is significantly doing that.
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Old 13th Jun 2022, 10:24
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
This has to be a wind up!!!
In any industry there will always be a percentage who will do whatever it takes to put food on the table. It's a fact of life.
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Old 13th Jun 2022, 11:27
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They've got it good

80s in the days of hand tuning aids and maps..4 on 2 off, 5 on 3 off and 6 on 3 off.
Early start first day..late finish last day.
Average 4 sector days but occasionally 5.
5 hour commute if lucky and often on the jump seat. 13 years to command (although had the hours before I started).
Impeccable short haul safety stats.
Physically fatigued but had that when I worked on building sites.
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Old 13th Jun 2022, 17:41
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Originally Posted by blind pew View Post
80s in the days of hand tuning aids and maps..4 on 2 off, 5 on 3 off and 6 on 3 off.
Early start first day..late finish last day.
Average 4 sector days but occasionally 5.
5 hour commute if lucky and often on the jump seat. 13 years to command (although had the hours before I started).
Impeccable short haul safety stats.
Physically fatigued but had that when I worked on building sites.
Well, that's alright then!

(It is not the 80s any more.)
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