Wizzair CEO telling crews to fly fatigued

Join Date: Jun 2021
Location: On the ground or in the air
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Roster pattern 14/7
More or less like this:
Day - Check in time - flights - Block time - Duty time
There were more SBYs, which got replaced by duty.
There were some duties which got removed due to the 100 hr in 28 days limit.
In case you missed it, I'm on 14/7.
More or less like this:
Day - Check in time - flights - Block time - Duty time
- 6:45 4 9:10 14:00
- 13:20 4 7:40 11:00
- E-training
- 18:05 2 6:00 8:30
- OFF
- OFF
- 6:20 2 5:00 7:25
- 3:45 2 4:25 6:40
- 3:50 2 2:30 4:45
- 3:45 2 7:25 9:45
- RSVD
- 11:20 2 4:30 6:50
- OFF
- OFF
- 7:00 2 3:30 5:30
- 5:20 2 5:50 8:50
- 4:55 2 7:00 9:10
- 5:00 2 6:45 9:05
- 7:00 4 8:05 11:30
- 12:30 2 6:00 9:15
- OFF
- OFF
- 5:00 2 4:10 6:05
- 5:05 2 6:00 8:15
- 8:30 2 5:35 9:45
- SBY
- 4:45 2 4:10 6:20
- OFF
- OFF
- OFF
- OFF
- OFF
- OFF
- 5:00 2 5:50 8:10
- 5:00 2 6:00 8:30
- 5:10 2 5:25 9:00 followed by E training
- 10:50 2 3:25 6:50
- OFF
- OFF
- 6:00 4 7:10 11:00
- 11:00 2 4:00 6:30
- 12:30 2 5:45 7:50
- 11:00 2 4:30 9:30
- 12:00 2 4:40 8:20
- 11:00 2 4:20 6:50
- OFF
- OFF
- 5:00 2 2:30 4:50
- 6:00 2 5:15 8:45
- 5:15 2 4:15 6:40
- 5:20 2 5:00 7:20
- 6:00 2 4:25 6:10 followed by E training
- OFF
- OFF
- 5:25 2 6:10 8:40
- 12:00 2 6:00 8:10
- E training
- SBY
- 11:10 2 4:30 9:00
- E training
There were more SBYs, which got replaced by duty.
There were some duties which got removed due to the 100 hr in 28 days limit.
In case you missed it, I'm on 14/7.
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Wowww...Jeez, if i may ask, and regarding salary, is it worth or not at all.? ..for example as a F/O with all that naughty roster you showed us, how much could be received by month?

Join Date: Jun 2021
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For those flights, you can expect 3k-5k € net depending in which country you are and whether you are senior or junior, married with kids or not.
Is it worth it?
Ask me that again on the second OFF when I realize it's time to force me to go to sleep for the next morning marathon, while I'm wondering if I had enough rest.
Is it worth it?
Ask me that again on the second OFF when I realize it's time to force me to go to sleep for the next morning marathon, while I'm wondering if I had enough rest.
Join Date: Jan 2015
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Posts: 343
Couldn't agree more. Well said. Oh hang on, we are allowed to think it as it's common knowledge. But we can't say it. This is the new master race of Europes airline. It's where national pride takes presidence, over safety. The ICAO official language is English. Except for the above.
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Location: Europe
Posts: 274
I remember my time in wizz was not too bad, rosters were 6/4 and getting vacation wasn't too difficult., changing bases were solely up to the individual's date of submission.
Things changed however around 2016/17 (that's why i left) with a new mob taking over BUD. Some smaller base closures followed with crews getting reassigned with short or no notice, random rosters on most bases became the new norm. Also base changing policy became somewhat less transparent favouring those closer to the inner circle, not answering your phone on your day off started to have repercussions like getting your vacation requests denied or reassigned by those very base captains and managers who were the go to guys on deciding the fate of 1000 employees back in April 2020.
Could it get any worse? It did as it seems.
Will the downward spiral stop? It's only up to you guys and gals in wizz at the moment.
Things changed however around 2016/17 (that's why i left) with a new mob taking over BUD. Some smaller base closures followed with crews getting reassigned with short or no notice, random rosters on most bases became the new norm. Also base changing policy became somewhat less transparent favouring those closer to the inner circle, not answering your phone on your day off started to have repercussions like getting your vacation requests denied or reassigned by those very base captains and managers who were the go to guys on deciding the fate of 1000 employees back in April 2020.
Could it get any worse? It did as it seems.
Will the downward spiral stop? It's only up to you guys and gals in wizz at the moment.
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: EU
Posts: 541
Couldn't agree more. Well said. Oh hang on, we are allowed to think it as it's common knowledge. But we can't say it. This is the new master race of Europes airline. It's where national pride takes presidence, over safety. The ICAO official language is English. Except for the above.
Join Date: Dec 2021
Location: London
Posts: 18
The CEO should be spoken to by the appropriate authority.
All Ops manuals will have a line that runs, “a pilot must not operate when fatigued’.
Easy to say when sat in my armchair, but until crew have the guts to call Ops and tell them they are fatigued then nothing will change.
And yes, I have done it myself, and I know of the pressure that follows. I also speak as someone who kept fit and avoided the parties down-route. So I also know why some complain of ‘fatigue’.
All Ops manuals will have a line that runs, “a pilot must not operate when fatigued’.
Easy to say when sat in my armchair, but until crew have the guts to call Ops and tell them they are fatigued then nothing will change.
And yes, I have done it myself, and I know of the pressure that follows. I also speak as someone who kept fit and avoided the parties down-route. So I also know why some complain of ‘fatigue’.
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When I saw this statement for the first time I couldn't believe in the blantant arogance of this CEO.
We all know these things are happening all the time, but it was all behind the curtain.
Going with it so openly is a whole new chapter.
I think it's a right time to make it a criminal offence coercing people to work shen fatigued.
We all know these things are happening all the time, but it was all behind the curtain.
Going with it so openly is a whole new chapter.
I think it's a right time to make it a criminal offence coercing people to work shen fatigued.
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short flights long nights
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“6th consecutive early”. They do that? Unbelievable. How many days to recover from that? Working that sort of roster is clearly not viable for anyone. The management should fly with a crew for a few weeks to appreciate quite how tiring it is. Well done the pilots for declaring unfit. It takes courage.
They rostered you with early start on Day 1, and late finish on Day 6, and would always have a transition from early to late duty, and very often have a double transition in one block.
Wizz crew do not have the balls to stand up against their CEO or management, it's a culture of fear.
Upper management are the bad apples, but this is the way they want it.
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These clowns only speak in dollar signs. Things will only change when it hits the bottom line, and it gives me great pleasure to see that for Wizz it is significantly doing that.
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They've got it good
80s in the days of hand tuning aids and maps..4 on 2 off, 5 on 3 off and 6 on 3 off.
Early start first day..late finish last day.
Average 4 sector days but occasionally 5.
5 hour commute if lucky and often on the jump seat. 13 years to command (although had the hours before I started).
Impeccable short haul safety stats.
Physically fatigued but had that when I worked on building sites.
Early start first day..late finish last day.
Average 4 sector days but occasionally 5.
5 hour commute if lucky and often on the jump seat. 13 years to command (although had the hours before I started).
Impeccable short haul safety stats.
Physically fatigued but had that when I worked on building sites.
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Location: My Secret Island Lair
Posts: 553
80s in the days of hand tuning aids and maps..4 on 2 off, 5 on 3 off and 6 on 3 off.
Early start first day..late finish last day.
Average 4 sector days but occasionally 5.
5 hour commute if lucky and often on the jump seat. 13 years to command (although had the hours before I started).
Impeccable short haul safety stats.
Physically fatigued but had that when I worked on building sites.
Early start first day..late finish last day.
Average 4 sector days but occasionally 5.
5 hour commute if lucky and often on the jump seat. 13 years to command (although had the hours before I started).
Impeccable short haul safety stats.
Physically fatigued but had that when I worked on building sites.
(It is not the 80s any more.)