IAG to order up to 150 737 Max

[WideScreen]

Originally Posted by WHBM

I fear they will end up on mainstream, high fare, foodless, business flights from Heathrow, with LCC-pitched seats at the front sold as "Club" because the middle seat is not booked - unless they declare because of an operational issue (alias management cheeseparing) today they are now going to seat you all 3-across to overcome a cancellation.

Some beancounter in Madrid thinks they can get away with this.

I though, that super bean counter had been kicked out and things were getting back to a bit more premium ?

[Oblivion67]

So does anybody have any idea where these aircraft will end up?

Which operator/airline?

I'm a 737 CPT desperate to get home due pregnant wife and it would help if I had an inclination of future job prospects.

Thanks

[surely not]

From a passenger perspective the 737 cabin is a massive downgrade on the A320 family. It feels cramped and tiny by comparison.

[WhatsaLizad?]

Originally Posted by Oblivion67

So does anybody have any idea where these aircraft will end up?

Which operator/airline?

I'm a 737 CPT desperate to get home due pregnant wife and it would help if I had an inclination of future job prospects.

Thanks

From a US 737 CA at a large airline, I wish you a speedy return to reunite with your family.

Cheers.

[fdr]

Originally Posted by Oblivion67

So does anybody have any idea where these aircraft will end up?

Which operator/airline?

I'm a 737 CPT desperate to get home due pregnant wife and it would help if I had an inclination of future job prospects.

Thanks

Have you considered a heavy vehicle license? The world we want is not the one we have anymore, and aviation is heading towards another beating from the looming global return to the 30's.

[Winemaker]

Try Alaska Airlines, they seem to be having issues with lack of crew, cancelling way too many flights.....

[Bksmithca]

Originally Posted by Oblivion67

So does anybody have any idea where these aircraft will end up?

Which operator/airline?

I'm a 737 CPT desperate to get home due pregnant wife and it would help if I had an inclination of future job prospects.

Thanks

If you google IAG it showed British Airways and about a dozen other airlines

[Oblivion67]

Yes I am very aware that IAG is made up of British Airways and several other airlines and I think I can just about manage a Google search, thanks.

My question is if anyone has any idea where these aircraft may end up within this organisation. ie 150 aircraft to Vueling etc? I heard Vueling may concert from Airbus to Boeing.

Cheers

[Mikehotel152]

Originally Posted by surely not

From a passenger perspective the 737 cabin is a massive downgrade on the A320 family. It feels cramped and tiny by comparison.

The 737-8200 doesn't actually feel tiny and cramped to the passengers. For instance, the RYR seats in their 197 pax layout are comfortable for short haul but are so compact that the cabin feels fine. Certainly not a downgrade, unless you're a snob used to business class. I'd add a caveat: the plane is cramped from the point of view of the cabin crew who are shoehorned into galleys the size of shoeboxes.

[WHBM]

Originally Posted by Mikehotel152

The 737-8200 doesn't actually feel tiny and cramped to the passengers. For instance, the RYR seats in their 197 pax layout are comfortable for short haul but are so compact that the cabin feels fine. Certainly not a downgrade, unless you're a snob used to business class. I'd add a caveat: the plane is cramped from the point of view of the cabin crew who are shoehorned into galleys the size of shoeboxes.

It's a bit telling how, on an aviation crew website, the revenue passengers, particularly the best paying and most regular passengers, are sneered at as "snobs", while the cabin crew have hyperbole inserted into their descriptions, such as "shoehorned into shoeboxes"

Originally Posted by Bksmithca

If you google IAG it showed British Airways and about a dozen other airlines

You are correct, and whatever the beancounters may massage the figures for tax purposes to show, British Airways is the one that makes the margins, and the other 12 are the ones that lose much of it again ...

[WideScreen]

Originally Posted by WHBM

It's a bit telling how, on an aviation crew website, the revenue passengers, particularly the best paying and most regular passengers, are sneered at as "snobs", while the cabin crew have hyperbole inserted into their descriptions, such as "shoehorned into shoeboxes"

You are correct, and whatever the beancounters may massage the figures for tax purposes to show, British Airways is the one that makes the margins, and the other 12 are the ones that lose much of it again ...

Profits go there, where minimal taxes need to be paid. Losses go there, where these are deductible .......

[Una Due Tfc]

Originally Posted by WHBM

You are correct, and whatever the beancounters may massage the figures for tax purposes to show, British Airways is the one that makes the margins, and the other 12 are the ones that lose much of it again ...

Wasn't EI's profit margin the highest in IAG by quite some distance pre COVID? Most profitable J cabins and cargo in the group also?

[DP.]

Originally Posted by Mikehotel152

The 737-8200 doesn't actually feel tiny and cramped to the passengers. For instance, the RYR seats in their 197 pax layout are comfortable for short haul but are so compact that the cabin feels fine. Certainly not a downgrade, unless you're a snob used to business class. I'd add a caveat: the plane is cramped from the point of view of the cabin crew who are shoehorned into galleys the size of shoeboxes.

I had a 3.5 hour flight on a MAX 8 prior to the grounding and I found it pretty cramped and uncomfortable - and I am not a 'snob' who regularly flies business class, by any stretch of the imagination.

[Chesty Morgan]

You see, 6 inches does make a difference.

[TogaToFLs]

Is there any further news/rumours/theories of where these aircraft will go? In theory some of them were going to be delivered in 2023 but as far as I know, none have.

[Right Engine]

Originally Posted by Oblivion67

Yes I am very aware that IAG is made up of British Airways and several other airlines and I think I can just about manage a Google search, thanks.

My question is if anyone has any idea where these aircraft may end up within this organisation. ie 150 aircraft to Vueling etc? I heard Vueling may concert from Airbus to Boeing.

Cheers

no mention whatsoever here at BA

[Stormonttrooper]

Apparently at BHD the stands 2 and 3 are being widened for 737. /A320
The new air bridge at 3 will be 737 capable

[Mr Good Cat]

Does this MAX order actually still stand with IAG, or will they convert it to a smaller number VLA widebodies such as the 777-9, and some 787s?

[Doors to Automatic]

I don’t know why BA continue to fish in the LCC dominated short haul sector. Surely they would be better sticking to a few flagship routes and domestics and using the slots from the other routes for 5-7 hour medium haul routes where the LCCs don’t fly. This would improve point to point yield and open up some new connecting opportunities, both with little competition.

[Hartington]

Point to Point? I recall a story from a good few years ago about how hub and spoke works. An agent in Austin needed to book a client up to Dallas and found the flight full. Same day he booked someone Austin/Dallas/New York - same flight Austin/Dallas. OK that can happen but some experimentation showed that he could book to points on the East Coast via Dallas but the Austin/Dallas flight was often full even though he could book beyond Dallas. So he started booking to the East Coast and then cancelling the onward flight from Dallas. The airline took a while to catch on and eventually introduced "married pair" segments - book connecting flights and you can only cancel both, not just one.
There are point to point routes but many cross support one another across a hub.
Then they take into account currency. There are countries with exchange controls that don't allow fares collected to be remitted "home". So you might be able to book A-hub-B but not B-hub-A because the airline can't repatriate the fares they collect from B.
Some of the routes BA operate into Europe offer very strong connections across the Atlantic - even though there are BA customers in the London hub area they can be secondary to the connecting traffic.
Oh and not all the hub traffic originates in Europe think Africa to the USA - very few non stop flights and mostly to East Coast points from Africa. If you want somewhere not served non stop from Africa I'd look at a European hub rather than having to transit somewhere like New York or Miami.