Ukraine and associated airspace

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by andrasz

DaveReidUK I am with oceancrosser on this...

Fair enough.

I'm with Transport Canada:

[EddyCurr]

Originally Posted by Pilot DAR

However, in Canada, maximum fines for offenses are prescribed by regulation, and those sound like maximums for the offense which could be applied to the situation. If the government had the authority to apply an immense fine which in this context, many of us would consider appropriate, there would otherwise be a chorus of complaint about unrestrained bureaucrats going rogue. What has been done sends a signal, which remaining socially acceptable in a normal life context in Canada.

Pilot DAR. The mild VP-CVS penalties are equivalent to those recently levied for merely flouting CDN COVID border restrictions and Ottawa noise by-laws. That said, my remark about the figures is simply to draw attention.

Remember. It is not quite six months since Kovrig/Spavor were finally repatriated following a "vacation" (2018.12 to 2021.09) triggered by uncharacteristic efficiency at YVR in 2018. Over a matter with much less at stake.

As intimated in #63: border closure is one thing, enforcement another. In the present CDN context: intrusion made, wrist slapped; no tears shed, dominoes remain upright. Elsewhere next time?

Comprehensive global financial-&-ect sanctions for the win.

[DaveReidUK]

Isle of Man starts to de-register Russian aircraft

Originally Posted by sycamore

I have emailed the Bermudan CAA to see if they are going to withdraw all Russian VB/VP/VQ- registered aircraft,as Bermuda is a British Overseas Territory. So far ,no reply....

Any joy yet ?

That's not a rhetorical questiion - I understand that in the last few days the Isle of Man has started a cull of Russian/Belorussian-owned aircraft that are using IoM as a flag of convenience.

Gone from the Manx register (so far) are an EC155, EC175 and A340 all owned by Alisher Usmanov, an Embraer Legacy owned by Alexander Zingman and Alexey Mordashov's Global 6000.

Maybe Bermuda will follow suit ?

[Pilot DAR]

It seems that the US government has made an exception, and allowed a Russian charter to land at Dulles (Washington) to fly out many Russian diplomats. They seem to not have allowed it to the terminal, boarding and loading "away" from everything....

[Longtimer]

Originally Posted by Pilot DAR

It seems that the US government has made an exception, and allowed a Russian charter to land at Dulles (Washington) to fly out many Russian diplomats. They seem to not have allowed it to the terminal, boarding and loading "away" from everything....

Russian plane lands in US to remove diplomats expelled for alleged espionage

Russian plane lands in US to remove diplomats expelled for alleged espionage - Digital Journal

[fdr]

Originally Posted by DaveReidUK

Any joy yet ?

That's not a rhetorical questiion - I understand that in the last few days the Isle of Man has started a cull of Russian/Belorussian-owned aircraft that are using IoM as a flag of convenience.

Gone from the Manx register (so far) are an EC155, EC175 and A340 all owned by Alisher Usmanov, an Embraer Legacy owned by Alexander Zingman and Alexey Mordashov's Global 6000.

Maybe Bermuda will follow suit ?

Pity, really. if they just suspend the CoA instead, the planes cannot be re-registered somewhere else. If the CoR is canceled they can be re-registered.

[andrasz]

Originally Posted by fdr

Pity, really. if they just suspend the CoA instead, the planes cannot be re-registered somewhere else. If the CoR is canceled they can be re-registered.

I'm not privy to the full pertaining legislation, but I sense that CoA cannot be suspended without a demonstrated technical cause.

[fdr]

Originally Posted by andrasz

I'm not privy to the full pertaining legislation, but I sense that CoA cannot be suspended without a demonstrated technical cause.

you are correct Andrasz, registration ordinarily has a fit and proper person criteria which permits suspension or cancellation. Our CoA's for Part 25 require FPP as well related to the airworthiness program, related to MC, SOM and CAME, so it would be possible to suspend the CoA of our aircraft, but it is a tortuous road to get there vs the direct FPP > COR issue.

[A0283]

A private jet has been impounded at Farnborough Airport in Hampshire as authorities investigate its connection with a billionaire Russian oligarch.The jet flew into the country last Thursday 10032022 and UK officials believe oil tycoon Eugene Shvidler was on board.They are now investigating whether the ac is permanently leased to Shvidler and falls under UK sanctions.The Luxembourg-registered jet was due to take off from the UK to Dubai, but officials have now prevented this.

It comes as the UK announced new sanctions on Russian ac. Ministers are making it a criminal offence for ac owned or chartered by Russians to enter UK airspace, and new trade sanctions will prevent all UK exports of aviation or space-related technology to Russia.Mr Shvidler has himself not been personally sanctioned by the UK at any stage.

Announcing the new measures, Foreign Secretary Liz Truss said the changes would inflict further "economic pain on Russia and those close to the Kremlin".She added the govt would continue to support Ukraine and "work to isolate Russia on the international stage".

Transport Secretary Grant Shapps said the UK was "one of the first countries to ban Russian ac and today we are going even further by making it a criminal offence for Russian ac to operate in UK airspace".

[ATC Watcher]

making it a criminal offence for Russian ac to operate in UK airspace

I wonder what the next step will be . Retaliation will follow of course, I have a feeling this is not going to end well, especially for our industry already weakened by 2 years of Covid.
If Russia closes its airspace permanently to the west airlines, the future of our European legacy airlines is in the balance.

[sycamore]

DRUK,I asked the IOM; Reply was 7a/c were de-reg`d;replied that there were 3 more in Moscow at that moment,different airports;2 have disappeared,1 may still be there..as FR24 only covers about 7 days...
No reply from Bermuda.
Reply from FCDO...Further sanctions,but no `direct answer...
Typhoon(s)+ tanker `capping`last night east of Bucharest...

[3Greens]

Originally Posted by ATC Watcher

I wonder what the next step will be . Retaliation will follow of course, I have a feeling this is not going to end well, especially for our industry already weakened by 2 years of Covid.
If Russia closes its airspace permanently to the west airlines, the future of our European legacy airlines is in the balance.

not really. Hardly any Far East destinations worth operating to GIA russia at the moment anyway. HKG&China are written off so just leaves Japan really. Don’t forget that Russian Airspace wasn’t available until the 90s anyway.

[ATC Watcher]

Originally Posted by 3Greens

not really. Hardly any Far East destinations worth operating to GIA russia at the moment anyway. HKG&China are written off so just leaves Japan really. Don’t forget that Russian Airspace wasn’t available until the 90s anyway.

I was more thinking Europe-China, than Tokyo or Seoul. The Chinese airlines are going to be at a serious advantage when this mess is over, maybe the Gulf ones too, I did not follow their stance on Russia. As to before 1990, yes I remember very well the hours it took and the price of the tickets too. There were hardly any flights to China at that time, a third world economy back then. Things are a bit different now. The future will definitively be in the Asia-Pacific.

[WillowRun 6-3]

IFALPA Safety Bulletin - 16 March 2022

Safety Bulletin (22SAB07) by Int'l Federation of Air Line Pilots' Associations, "Flying Into and Over Conflict Zones" -- link:
22sab07-flying-into-and-over-conflict-zones.pdf

The bulletin notes the worrying occurence of "military and non-military projectiles crossing FIRs adjacent to Ukrainian airspace."
It also contains a link to IFALPA resources materially relevant to the subject matter area addressed in this bulletin.

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by WillowRun 6-3

Safety Bulletin (22SAB07) by Int'l Federation of Air Line Pilots' Associations, "Flying Into and Over Conflict Zones" -- link:
22sab07-flying-into-and-over-conflict-zones.pdf

The bulletin notes the worrying occurence of "military and non-military projectiles crossing FIRs adjacent to Ukrainian airspace."
It also contains a link to IFALPA resources materially relevant to the subject matter area addressed in this bulletin.

Working link to what may or may not be the referenced document, although it doesn't appear to include the quoted text: IFALPA - Flights into and over conflict zones.

Out of interest, what's a "non-military projectile" ? Presumably if you're brought down by one of those, it doesn't count ...

[WillowRun 6-3]

Clarifying......

Thanks DR-UK.
Here's link to March 16 IFALPA Safety Bulletin page:
https://www.ifalpa.org/publications/...ct-zones--3580

The bulletin cites a "Position" issued by IFALPA several years ago (December 2014) - that's what's in the link DR posted.

(text I quoted is in the 03-16-2022 SAB)

[WillowRun 6-3]

March 17 EASA Safety Information Bulletin - GNSS jamming and/or possible spoofing

IFALPA has disseminated a Safety Info. Bulletin issued by EASA (European Union Aviation Safety Agency). "Global Navigation Satellite System Outage Leading to Navigation/Surveillance Degradation", Safety Information Bulletin, Operations - ATM/ANS, SIB No. 2022-02 (March 17, 2022).

Reference is made to Ukraine conflict and other areas as well.

The page on IFALPA's site from which the bulletin can be downloaded is:
https://www.ifalpa.org/publications/...radation--3583