Less than 30 ft above runway end?
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Less than 30 ft above runway end?
"A Flydubai Boeing 737-8 MAX, registration A6-FML performing flight FZ-1746 from Belgrade (Serbia) to Dubai (United Arab Emirates), lined up Belgrade's runway 30 at taxiway D, departed at about 13:49L (12:49Z) but crossed the runway end just at a few feet AGL and climbed out slowly. The aircraft subsequently accelerated both IAS and climb and continued to Dubai for a landing without further incident.
A ground observer reported the aircraft began rotation about 300 meters short of the runway end but rotated very slowly, became airborne and crossed the runway end just a few feet above the surface, a one engine inoperative (OEI) departure would have been impossible. About 2 minutes after becoming airborne the crew queried with tower, whether they had departed taxiway E (TORA 3000 meters/9800 feet) or taxiway D (TORA 2085 meters/6800 feet), tower reported they had departed from taxiway D. The ground observer could not tell, whether the crew had requested to depart from intersection with taxiway D or E prior to or during taxi for departure.
ADS-B data suggest the aircraft crossed the runway end at less than 30 feet AGL at 156 knots over ground, reached 80 feet AGL about 400 meters/1350 feet past the runway end at 168 knots over ground (just past the localizer antenna), then joined a rather normal climb profile."
https://avherald.com/h?article=4f4e09cc&opt=0
Scary, if true.
A ground observer reported the aircraft began rotation about 300 meters short of the runway end but rotated very slowly, became airborne and crossed the runway end just a few feet above the surface, a one engine inoperative (OEI) departure would have been impossible. About 2 minutes after becoming airborne the crew queried with tower, whether they had departed taxiway E (TORA 3000 meters/9800 feet) or taxiway D (TORA 2085 meters/6800 feet), tower reported they had departed from taxiway D. The ground observer could not tell, whether the crew had requested to depart from intersection with taxiway D or E prior to or during taxi for departure.
ADS-B data suggest the aircraft crossed the runway end at less than 30 feet AGL at 156 knots over ground, reached 80 feet AGL about 400 meters/1350 feet past the runway end at 168 knots over ground (just past the localizer antenna), then joined a rather normal climb profile."
https://avherald.com/h?article=4f4e09cc&opt=0
Scary, if true.
"A Flydubai Boeing 737-8 MAX, registration A6-FML performing flight FZ-1746 from Belgrade (Serbia) to Dubai (United Arab Emirates), lined up Belgrade's runway 30 at taxiway D, departed at about 13:49L (12:49Z) but crossed the runway end just at a few feet AGL and climbed out slowly. The aircraft subsequently accelerated both IAS and climb and continued to Dubai for a landing without further incident.
A ground observer reported the aircraft began rotation about 300 meters short of the runway end but rotated very slowly, became airborne and crossed the runway end just a few feet above the surface, a one engine inoperative (OEI) departure would have been impossible. About 2 minutes after becoming airborne the crew queried with tower, whether they had departed taxiway E (TORA 3000 meters/9800 feet) or taxiway D (TORA 2085 meters/6800 feet), tower reported they had departed from taxiway D. The ground observer could not tell, whether the crew had requested to depart from intersection with taxiway D or E prior to or during taxi for departure.
ADS-B data suggest the aircraft crossed the runway end at less than 30 feet AGL at 156 knots over ground, reached 80 feet AGL about 400 meters/1350 feet past the runway end at 168 knots over ground (just past the localizer antenna), then joined a rather normal climb profile."
https://avherald.com/h?article=4f4e09cc&opt=0
Scary, if true.
A ground observer reported the aircraft began rotation about 300 meters short of the runway end but rotated very slowly, became airborne and crossed the runway end just a few feet above the surface, a one engine inoperative (OEI) departure would have been impossible. About 2 minutes after becoming airborne the crew queried with tower, whether they had departed taxiway E (TORA 3000 meters/9800 feet) or taxiway D (TORA 2085 meters/6800 feet), tower reported they had departed from taxiway D. The ground observer could not tell, whether the crew had requested to depart from intersection with taxiway D or E prior to or during taxi for departure.
ADS-B data suggest the aircraft crossed the runway end at less than 30 feet AGL at 156 knots over ground, reached 80 feet AGL about 400 meters/1350 feet past the runway end at 168 knots over ground (just past the localizer antenna), then joined a rather normal climb profile."
https://avherald.com/h?article=4f4e09cc&opt=0
Scary, if true.
TWY D would be an interesting effort for a B738MAX. An RTO would be spectacular, you would stop before the main highway. There is about 4000' or more of nice clean frangible free (sheep excepted) turf to help get out of the rough.
Think FryDubeye may want to preclude dudes doing departures of Delta. runway behind, fuel in the tanker, lawyers etc ( sorry willow run).
The risk on this one is the crew actually realising what they have done, and then doing an RTO at V1, which would lead to an insurance payout at least and be good for Bowin's order books.
SQ 006 has a similar whoopsie and it did not go well. TPE was a known bad deal and it bit back. In explanation, once the captain of the Ohare flight realised what we had discovered, the ATC has asked the captain if he could accept 27C for flow management.... and being an utter gentleman from a country of very polite (when sober people) he demurred. And forgot about the NOTAM, which was also on the ATIS, and the brief, and had been a subject of discussion, and had been highlighted on a copy of the AD diagram... and yet we still get a chance to impress the bulldozer driver. Bet his eyes were wide as he jumped off the side.
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Flydubai B38M at Belgrade on Feb 18th 2022, wrong takeoff performance
Another operator from UAE with a related blunder with shallow takeoff, error in procedure etc. Worrying performance from a second operator from UAE
Source: AvHerald and local sources (Serbia)
A Flydubai Boeing 737-8 MAX, registration A6-FML performing flight FZ-1746 from Belgrade (Serbia) to Dubai (United Arab Emirates), lined up Belgrade's runway 30 at taxiway D, departed at about 13:49L (12:49Z) but crossed the runway end just at a few feet AGL and climbed out slowly. The aircraft subsequently accelerated both IAS and climb and continued to Dubai for a landing without further incident.
A ground observer reported the aircraft began rotation about 300 meters short of the runway end but rotated very slowly, became airborne and crossed the runway end just a few feet above the surface, a one engine inoperative (OEI) departure would have been impossible. About 2 minutes after becoming airborne the crew queried with tower, whether they had departed taxiway E (TORA 3000 meters/9800 feet) or taxiway D (TORA 2085 meters/6800 feet), tower reported they had departed from taxiway D. The ground observer could not tell, whether the crew had requested to depart from intersection with taxiway D or E prior to or during taxi for departure.
ADS-B data suggest the aircraft crossed the runway end at less than 30 feet AGL at 156 knots over ground, reached 80 feet AGL about 400 meters/1350 feet past the runway end at 168 knots over ground (just past the localizer antenna), then joined a rather normal climb profile.
On Feb 23rd 2022 Serbia's Directorate of Civil Aviation announced they have opened an extraordinary inspection into Flydubai with respect to the 737-8 MAX occurrece of Feb 18th 2022 and stated: "As part of the investigation, the Directorate of Civil Aviation of the Republic of Serbia will send a request to investigate the events to the aviation authorities of the United Arab Emirates, in order to inform us about the results of the investigation, since they are in charge of the operator."
Metars:
LYBE 181400Z 16005KT 120V270 CAVOK 14/M01 Q1017 NOSIG=
LYBE 181330Z 24006KT CAVOK 14/M01 Q1017 NOSIG=
LYBE 181300Z 26007KT 230V290 CAVOK 14/M00 Q1018 NOSIG=
LYBE 181230Z 24007KT 180V270 CAVOK 14/00 Q1018 NOSIG=
LYBE 181200Z 30009KT CAVOK 14/M01 Q1018 NOSIG=
LYBE 181130Z 30009KT 220V320 CAVOK 13/M01 Q1018 NOSIG=
LYBE 181100Z 32008KT 280V010 CAVOK 13/M02 Q1019 NOSIG=
LYBE 181030Z 30012KT 260V340 CAVOK 13/M01 Q1019 NOSIG=
LYBE 181000Z 31011KT CAVOK 12/00 Q1019 NOSIG=
LYBE 180930Z 26008KT 220V290 CAVOK 12/01 Q1019 NOSIG=
LYBE 180900Z 25006KT 210V280 CAVOK 11/01 Q1019 NOSIG=
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Source: AvHerald and local sources (Serbia)
A Flydubai Boeing 737-8 MAX, registration A6-FML performing flight FZ-1746 from Belgrade (Serbia) to Dubai (United Arab Emirates), lined up Belgrade's runway 30 at taxiway D, departed at about 13:49L (12:49Z) but crossed the runway end just at a few feet AGL and climbed out slowly. The aircraft subsequently accelerated both IAS and climb and continued to Dubai for a landing without further incident.
A ground observer reported the aircraft began rotation about 300 meters short of the runway end but rotated very slowly, became airborne and crossed the runway end just a few feet above the surface, a one engine inoperative (OEI) departure would have been impossible. About 2 minutes after becoming airborne the crew queried with tower, whether they had departed taxiway E (TORA 3000 meters/9800 feet) or taxiway D (TORA 2085 meters/6800 feet), tower reported they had departed from taxiway D. The ground observer could not tell, whether the crew had requested to depart from intersection with taxiway D or E prior to or during taxi for departure.
ADS-B data suggest the aircraft crossed the runway end at less than 30 feet AGL at 156 knots over ground, reached 80 feet AGL about 400 meters/1350 feet past the runway end at 168 knots over ground (just past the localizer antenna), then joined a rather normal climb profile.
On Feb 23rd 2022 Serbia's Directorate of Civil Aviation announced they have opened an extraordinary inspection into Flydubai with respect to the 737-8 MAX occurrece of Feb 18th 2022 and stated: "As part of the investigation, the Directorate of Civil Aviation of the Republic of Serbia will send a request to investigate the events to the aviation authorities of the United Arab Emirates, in order to inform us about the results of the investigation, since they are in charge of the operator."
Metars:
LYBE 181400Z 16005KT 120V270 CAVOK 14/M01 Q1017 NOSIG=
LYBE 181330Z 24006KT CAVOK 14/M01 Q1017 NOSIG=
LYBE 181300Z 26007KT 230V290 CAVOK 14/M00 Q1018 NOSIG=
LYBE 181230Z 24007KT 180V270 CAVOK 14/00 Q1018 NOSIG=
LYBE 181200Z 30009KT CAVOK 14/M01 Q1018 NOSIG=
LYBE 181130Z 30009KT 220V320 CAVOK 13/M01 Q1018 NOSIG=
LYBE 181100Z 32008KT 280V010 CAVOK 13/M02 Q1019 NOSIG=
LYBE 181030Z 30012KT 260V340 CAVOK 13/M01 Q1019 NOSIG=
LYBE 181000Z 31011KT CAVOK 12/00 Q1019 NOSIG=
LYBE 180930Z 26008KT 220V290 CAVOK 12/01 Q1019 NOSIG=
LYBE 180900Z 25006KT 210V280 CAVOK 11/01 Q1019 NOSIG=
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