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Old 4th Jul 2021, 07:39
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Philippine crash

Just reported
Philippine crash
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57711597
C130 miltary troop transport with 92 people on board, incl 3 pilots and 5 crew. The rest were army personnel... plane missed the runway and it was trying to regain power but failed and crashed,"

Initial report of at least 17 fatalities but also 40 rescued, plane on fire, only tail visible.

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Old 4th Jul 2021, 08:52
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More photos here - please delete if deemed insensitive

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/phi...WO3JBNZA63OTA/
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Old 4th Jul 2021, 09:44
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Ex-USAF FY1987 C-130H.
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Old 4th Jul 2021, 16:24
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Fron the BBC :

Philippines military plane crash kills at least 45 but dozens survive - BBC News

A statement from the regional military force, Joint Task Force Sulu, said "a number of soldiers were seen jumping out of the aircraft before it hit the ground, sparing them from the explosion caused by the crash".
Trying to make sense of that, was it doing a parachute drop ?
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Old 4th Jul 2021, 17:14
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Impression that I got it was just a troop transport mission, so not a jump. But could mean they lowered the ramp for example at some point.

There is no information about using the forward door.

Dont know, but is there a gravity drop mechanism for the ramp that can be used in emergencies?
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Old 4th Jul 2021, 17:39
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_P...ce_C-130_crash
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Old 4th Jul 2021, 18:09
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How is this sort of thing still happening, after all the training, the CRM, the study of previous accidents, the exams, etc?
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Sometimes, all the holes in the cheese line up together and after a series of unfortunate events accidents happen...
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Old 4th Jul 2021, 19:57
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Link to The Manila Times and Channel News Asia with at least 1 or 2 photos I'd not seen elsewhere, plus local commentary.

https://www.manilatimes.net/2021/07/...-chief/1805695

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news...-jolo-15153068
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Old 5th Jul 2021, 08:13
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Interesting spekulation

In short Assault Landing gone wrong
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Old 5th Jul 2021, 19:15
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Google maps eyeball of the Jolo runway lenght is close to 6000 feet. Should be plenty for a C130 even for normal pilot skills. The photos show, that they did an extreme overrun past the quarry, so my bet is, that they did not touch down even mid runway. Is there a FDR on those C130?
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Old 6th Jul 2021, 09:53
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EDLB after seeing this Video (the first 20 seconds) I support your thesis.
Very fast and flat approach, with a heavy perhaps overweight aircraft.

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Old 6th Jul 2021, 14:24
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Can a C130 expert check on the last video? Looks for me, that they did not land with full flaps.
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Old 7th Jul 2021, 12:01
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Runway 27/09 is given as 1500m by 'Airports' app.
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Old 8th Jul 2021, 05:06
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Jolo Island is a major base for Abu Sayyaf Islamic rebels and just about qualifies as a war zone, given the level of the insurgency. Hostile action, such as enemy fire would need to be included in the possible cause list.
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Old 10th Jul 2021, 20:01
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Looks like 50% flap to me,bit fast too....
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Old 10th Jul 2021, 23:12
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It looks like a classic unstabalized approach: not fully configured, too fast, lands hard possibly bursting tires and runs out of runway. That approach should have been thrown away long before they crossed the fence.

Technical problems with the aircraft may have been a factor, I'd want to know how they got into that situation in the first place and why they didn't go around.

Fear of losing face is all too common in Asia, CRM could be difficult if a senior officer was Captain and the PF. He won't want to have doubt cast on his abilities by being unable to land and a junior co pilot would be very reluctant to question him.
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