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B-737 Cargo Plane down in Hawaii

Old 2nd Jul 2021, 13:59
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B-737 Cargo Plane down in Hawaii

Heard they had engine trouble and were returning to land and ended up in the water.
Hope everyone is safe.

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/0...-with-2-board/
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Old 2nd Jul 2021, 14:22
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Transair Boeing 737-275C(A) N810TA scheduled 01:30
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https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...bc-2021-07-02/

According to Reuters, both crew rescued by the coastguard.
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One pilot was taken to a trauma center and officials said the second was on a rescue boat heading to a fire station, officials said.

The Queens Medical Center said it received one patient in critical condition.

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"Transair Boeing 737-275C(A) N810TA scheduled 01:30"

Out of interest, what does the (A) signify ?
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I think it stays for Adv, whatever that means.....
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One critical, other ok

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57697835
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The 737-200 advanced was the last of the -200's built. It had JT8D-17 engines.
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Weird that they couldn't maintain altitude on one engine. The plane should fly on one engine at sea level even at gross weight.
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As well as incorporating all of the later -200 modifications, the -200 Adv included major wing improvements such as new leading edge flap sequencing, increase in droop of outboard slats, extension of the inboard Krueger Flap (see flight controls section), to produce a significant increase in lift and a reduction of take-off & approach speeds for better short field performance or an MTOW increase of 2268Kg. Autobrake, improved anti-skid, automatic speedbrake for RTO, automatic performance reserve and even nose-brakes became available. Again, kits were available for existing operators of the -200. With the JT8D-15 at 15,500Lbs the MTOW was now up to 52,390Kgs and MLW 48,534Kgs. These performance improvements increased the service ceiling by 2,000ft to 37,000ft and the maximum cabin differential pressure was increased from 7.5 to 7.8psid to accommodate this.

In 1973 when noise was becoming a factor, the nacelle was acoustically lined by Boeing and P&W swapped one fan stage for two compressor stages in the JT8D-17 while increasing thrust to 16,000Lbs. The JT8D got up to 17,400Lbs thrust on the -17R.

This B-737 was line number 427 so it would incorporate the modifications listed above. It's first flight was in 1975 so as delivered, it would also have the engine update.
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Originally Posted by gearlever
I think it stays for Adv, whatever that means.....
Probably correct - the Advanced had revised flaps and slats, as well as the -17 engines, for improved short-field performance (lower takeoff and landing speeds).

C refers to it being a cargo/pax Convertible, but not a QC (quick change) or Combi.

Here's a different airframe with the same sub-type designation, which also has the "gravel runway kit" (signature "ski" gravel deflector around the nose gear, and other mods/reinforcing):

https://www.planespotters.net/photo/...eing-737-275ca
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Apparently they lost the second engine shortly after the first. There will be questions....
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according to Hawaii's Dept of Transportation, ( on the Hawaiian TV News bulletin) they reported problems with ONE engine and were returning when the other donkey went lame too.
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FR24: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/a...810ta#2842c404
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https://archive.liveatc.net/phnl/PHN...t0GkRy58fRnceg

Around the 8:00 mark, second engine running hot, unable to maintain altitude.
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I'd be looking real close at any recent maintenance activities.
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Now we wait and see if it ditched in one piece or did it break up? It will be remarkable if they got it down in one piece. The TOW will be interesting to know, they didn't have too much fuel, he said about 2 hours worth, so ZFW + fuel.
It looks like the last recorded speed was around 133 mph on Flight Aware.
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Sully and Skiles managed it, albeit in daylight. Fortunately these guys had no Pax to worry about so it matters not really if this is in one piece or not - the cargo's scrap now anyway and the crew out alive.
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Open ocean would be rather more challenging than the Hudson River as well. In fact, this may be the first successful ditching of a commercial jetliner in the open ocean (although depending on the damage to the aircraft, it might depend on how you define 'successful').
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That’s quite a replay. Great vectoring skills, not impressed by the crossed transmissions and Tower/Radar combined. ☹️
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