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FR4978 ATH-VNO diverted, escorted to Minsk, alleged bomb threat – but was it?

Old 15th Jun 2021, 21:27
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"repeatedly attempted to get the crew to confirm on video that they had voluntarily diverted to Minsk"
English is not my first language - is this really the meaning of „coerced“? I would have used persuaded or lured.

He said the captain "repeatedly" asked Minsk ATC to provide an open line of communication back to Ryanair's operations control centre in Warsaw, but was told: "Ryanair weren't answering the phone"
Wouldn’t it be great to have a satcom link in such a situation?
We need to have an outcome where the European and the UK authorities, hopefully assisted by international partners, receive appropriate assurances from the Belarusian and/or Russian authorities that this will never happen again.
Aaah guarantees from europes last stalinist dictatorship… that’s definitely cheaper then! That‘ll do it!

the captain was put under "considerable pressure" to land in Minsk. "He wasn't instructed to do so, but he wasn't left with any great alternatives," he told the committee.
Can we drop that “forced at gun point” propaganda now? Thank you. An airplane became prey of a stalinist regime because of lack of state of the art means of communication with their operations centre. That‘s it. If you are cynical you could indeed congratulate the secret services of Belarus.
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Old 16th Jun 2021, 06:28
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And having a 3D hologram image of the OPS centre on the centre windshield would change exactly what?
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Old 16th Jun 2021, 07:04
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It was a trap to arrest that guy.
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Old 16th Jun 2021, 22:27
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Testimony from Michael O’Leary in front of parliament on the event. “O’Leary said the pilot was put under “considerable pressure” to land in Belarus instead of the more standard options of Poland or other Baltic countries.”

O’Leary testimony article
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 06:16
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So if the aircraft had ACARS, and the Belarus ATC would have passed the same information about threat to aircraft via OCC, what would have changed then? Should the airline just ignore the threat message, because they can't trust the ATC of the country which their aircraft is currently overflying?

The solution here isn't in ACARS, it's in stop flying to/from and over countries where ATC is complicit in endagering aircraf - which is what has happened.
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Old 18th Jun 2021, 13:05
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So a bomb threat made against an aircraft full of passengers is not terrorism?

ATC can piss off in this situation. Any viable threat information against an aircraft will come from the company itself, not ATC.
If the MiG was visible, now you are out of luck as you must comply with the Pilot(not ATC), as per any manual I have ever read.

A bit more experience and the crew could have faked any number of emergencies to descend into their destination airport, especially considering it was the closest. Now there may not have been enough time to get a solid grasp of this situation, but there were still a lot of other possibilities to consider.
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Old 21st Jun 2021, 10:25
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Given that a passenger can get arrested for joking with airport security about a bomb in their baggage, then surely ATC in this instance were a few notches up the scale of terrorism.

They terrorised the crew effectively and should recieve the appropriate reaction from the international community
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Old 16th Jul 2021, 14:50
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Interim investigation by ICAO (from Organization website)

From the ICAO Council meeting on June 28, 2021.

"Interim report into incident involving Ryanair Flight FR4978 in Belarus airspace on 23 May 2021
1. The Council considered this item on the basis of a C-WP/15224, which presented the interim report of the fact-finding investigation team into the incident involving Ryanair Flight FR4978 in Belarus airspace on 23 May 2021. The Council was joined in its deliberations by representatives from the non-Council Member States of Belarus, Ireland, Lithuania, and Poland.

2. Following consideration, the Council:
a) recalled its earlier decision on this subject (C-DEC 223/2 refers) in which the Council had initiated a fact-finding investigation in order to determine the relevant facts of this event;

b) welcomed the preliminary information provided and recognising the constricted timeframe, expressed appreciation to the Secretariat for the investigative efforts undertaken, while at the same time acknowledging that the information and materials received to date remained insufficient for the purposes of definitively determining the facts and specific sequence of events;

c) took note therefore, that the investigation remained ongoing, and in this connection underscored that these efforts should continue to be carried out in a transparent and impartial manner;

d) reiterated the importance of establishing the facts of what had happened, and in this connection, expressed appreciation to those Member States that had conveyed documentation and materials to the investigation, and encouraged all relevant stakeholders to continue to collaborate with the investigation and to comply with ICAO’s requests for information in a timely manner; and

e) requested the Secretariat to present an updated report of the investigation at the first meeting of the 224th Session, which is scheduled to occur on 13 September 2021."
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Old 16th Jul 2021, 15:27
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Rarely does one witness a can being kicked down the road so eloquently.
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Old 16th Jul 2021, 16:02
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“expressed appreciation to the Secretariat for the investigative efforts undertaken, while at the same time acknowledging that the information and materials received to date remained insufficient for the purposes of definitively determining the facts and specific sequence of events;”

that is a quite impressive usage of verbiage and saying absolutely nothing.
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Old 16th Jul 2021, 16:33
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I read it Belarus did not provide data.
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Old 16th Jul 2021, 19:16
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Correct , not all the data requested that is , and I have heard the time table they gave does not match the timetable given by RYR/Ireland.
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Old 17th Jul 2021, 15:57
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The other two "bomb" smoke-screen calls that happened in the following months should be added to the table. Quacks like a duck, badly drawn image of "It's pranksters everywhere, hey look! Not our KGB!".
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