Boozing in sleep?
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If you think so, just stay away from us. Problem solved.
Most of us living here are OK with these limits, we don't see the need to drink alcohol before driving a car, a boat, an aircraft or anything else for that matter. We feel safer this way.
Most of us living here are OK with these limits, we don't see the need to drink alcohol before driving a car, a boat, an aircraft or anything else for that matter. We feel safer this way.
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When I first saw this report I thought that she was a pilot but now I'm not sure.
Edit: I looked at the article again and now realize that she was indeed a FA as her position in the company.
Edit: I looked at the article again and now realize that she was indeed a FA as her position in the company.
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Jail time seems excessive in this case, definitely not worth the risk to have a bit of fun at the expense of a criminal record and job loss. Always think twice before reporting for duty if sick or impaired.
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Do I read this as .02 maximum and her blood alcohol content was .037? If so she would still be able to legally drive a motor vehicle in many countries and I would not call that too impaired. Just trying to figure out if she was rolling drunk at work or just a bit too happy. The article mentions health issues and pressure to got to work. I wonder if sleep medication was involved. Ambien/Stillnox?
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That level can be found with auto-brewing syndrome Auto-brewery syndrome - Wikipedia
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0.02 is the legal maximum stipulated by many countries for aircrew ( no distinction between flight or cabin in most cases) including the UK!
By comparison, most EU countries have a 0.05 limit for driving ( England/Wales have 0.08 as do most US States).
0.02 is the legal maximum stipulated by many countries for aircrew ( no distinction between flight or cabin in most cases) including the UK!
By comparison, most EU countries have a 0.05 limit for driving ( England/Wales have 0.08 as do most US States).
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When I was flying commercially, I spent around 200 nights per year in hotels. To help me sleep, I consumed a couple of pints of beer before bed.
I don't know anything about these alcohol figures, but if that placed me over some limit, tough. If there is anything they can shove into your mouth that says you've had a lousy night's sleep, do tell. As a passenger, I know who I'd rather fly with.
I don't know anything about these alcohol figures, but if that placed me over some limit, tough. If there is anything they can shove into your mouth that says you've had a lousy night's sleep, do tell. As a passenger, I know who I'd rather fly with.
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So you were a commercial pilot and knew nothing about "these alcohol figures"? Amazing.
Then let me assure you that a couple of pints before bed, provided a normal nights sleep, would leave you with no alcohol in your blood the next morning.
Then let me assure you that a couple of pints before bed, provided a normal nights sleep, would leave you with no alcohol in your blood the next morning.
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A while ago I posted with the heading, Every pilot in the world should read this book. Something like that. It was Matthew Walker's 'Why We Sleep'. There was a LOT said about Ambien. Now I see:-
If she takes any form of Zolpidem, I rather think she should be released from jail while the defence can be advised. It might be she'd then be guilty of another crime, but rather a lesser stigma perhaps.
Some of the facts in that book are utterly jaw-dropping.
These instances are sometimes called Ambien blackouts: The person performs activities after they have taken Ambien, although they do not remember them. The clinical term, however, is parasomnia – an activity like walking, eating, talking on the phone, and others, which occurs after a person has gone to sleep.
There are certainly reports of sleepwalking, sleep-eating, and sleep-driving that do not involve Ambien and other prescription sleep aids, but the addition of Ambien appears to induce these behaviors in people who do not normally have them and may potentially make them worse in people who do have parasomnias.
There are certainly reports of sleepwalking, sleep-eating, and sleep-driving that do not involve Ambien and other prescription sleep aids, but the addition of Ambien appears to induce these behaviors in people who do not normally have them and may potentially make them worse in people who do have parasomnias.
Some of the facts in that book are utterly jaw-dropping.
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Twenty years ago, we didn't have all this fuss about alcohol. I seem to remember some Japanese cargo captain at Anchorage being reported for being drunk but he was plastered. There was another one somewhere in the States, but we never had all this fuss about the tiniest amount of alcohol in your blood.
I think it was assumed that we were responsible aircrew.
Rant over.
I think it was assumed that we were responsible aircrew.
Rant over.
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Just to pour a little cold water on the “twenty years ago we didn’t have all this fuss about alcohol” nonsense. Note the date of the report.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/...ransport.world
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/...ransport.world
