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Brexit and the Aviation industry

Old 29th Apr 2021, 16:09
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Pretty much, but just to make it even simpler for Pre 2021 non-UK EASA holders they can continue to fly G-reg in the UK until the end of 2022 using their EASA licence and a validation document free to download from the CAA.

For those UK EASA licence holders who did SOLI before 2021 it's mixed - if you new EASA licence issue date is before April 2021 then same as above. If not then until you apply for and receive your new UK licence (no timescales given) then you cannot fly G-reg in the UK.

Great for pre-2021 non-UK EASA licence holders, which is wonderful for my fellow professionals in that situation, and makes perfect sense.

Not so great for former UK EASA holders whose SOLI dragged out outside of their control.

Awful and nonsensical for UK EASA holders who in the future want to fly under EASA and didn't SOLI out before 2021 through their own choice or because their employment circumstances made it impossible.

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Old 29th Apr 2021, 16:33
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Short term, you can get a validation to fly an EASA aircraft on the basis of your UK licence. But that probably won't work long term for a European employer.
Of note, the conversion requirements drop significantly once you have an ATPL Vs a CPL...but you still need the exams - all 14!
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Old 29th Apr 2021, 17:40
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That's interesting - do you have a link to any info on how that validation process works please?

Yes, the 14 exams you may already have taken to be issued your valid for life EASA licence....
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Old 29th Apr 2021, 18:15
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Check out https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...=EN#d1e238-1-1

It is mentioned, but not linked to, in the brexit FAQ on the EASA webpage.
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Old 29th Apr 2021, 18:36
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The conversion from a third country is more than a skill test and ATPL theory

-EASA class 1
-ELP (fcl 055)
-ATPL Theory (14 exams)
-skill test on your type if you are ATPL or training + CPL skill test for CPL holders
-UPRT as it will be your 1st CS25 on EASA licence.

all the NAA’s fees

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Old 29th Apr 2021, 19:07
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Cheers for comments very interesting and massively frustrating for people in our world who have through blood sweat and pots of cash to get qualified to do the career of their choice. Hopefully someone in EASA and CAA or UK department of transport will put their grown up head on and level the playing field for those having to struggle through this debacle. Would not hold my breath on that though so feel the anguish for the pilots I work with who are either on a year and a half time bomb now, or the others who are facing unemployment due to not having the time/resources to go through all those hoops. Loved the bit about having to carry out a skills test on your type...... do they know how much a S92 or AW 139 etc or EC 135 costs per hour to rent!!!
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Old 29th Apr 2021, 19:23
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For the acceptance of the TR, you need to have:
-your type valid on your licence.
-500hrs for plane or 350hrs for helicopters
-current practice

so if you are new on the type or/and COVID or unemployed, you won’t be able to get the type on your licence. Even though you can financially support this mess.
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Old 29th Apr 2021, 19:42
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A normal simulator LPC is enough. No clue how common those are for helicopters, but I've seen a EC135/145 level D sim in Frankfurt.
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Old 29th Apr 2021, 21:24
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You put it far more factual than myself so thanks for that. I am staggered and slightly embarrassed that I had no real knowledge of what all the implementations meant. Being a UK based pilot never really looked into it. Anyone affected you have my sympathies... bless those people in previous and current UK parliament and EU land, you have really done all the aviation industry from the EU or UK proud haven't you. Hope that reads as sarcastically as is was meant to.
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Old 29th Apr 2021, 21:49
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Be fun to ask a UK MP or European MP to re sit their qualifications so they can carry on doing the job they have been doing for years ( plus fund it it personally whilst running a household etc ) I am willing to wager they could not pass the entrance exam.... I certainly couldn't after 30 years flying I think I can only think of the odd question that actually had reference to what we do daily, apart from show learning.
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Old 1st May 2021, 21:51
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Denti, thank you for that - not a replacement for an EASA licence but a glimmer of hope for someone who needs to work in EASA land.
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Old 11th May 2021, 21:59
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Yep UK licence holders def thrown under the bus... as the youth say.
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