Brexit and the Aviation industry
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further to my post just above, #182, my license is enroute to me from IAA. So during this latest lockdown they have received UK license, issued IAA one and sent it out.
latest auto reply to an email this AM says office “is open and post may be delivered to our address”.
they don’t seem to be able to send out digital copies although they don’t actually say this.
my guess is they have a couple of things on at the minute.
Who would like to be a fly on wall at CAA when all these SOLI outs from UK over the years head back towards UK in April when they start giving us all our UK licenses back again 😂
further to my post just above, #182, my license is enroute to me from IAA. So during this latest lockdown they have received UK license, issued IAA one and sent it out.
latest auto reply to an email this AM says office “is open and post may be delivered to our address”.
they don’t seem to be able to send out digital copies although they don’t actually say this.
my guess is they have a couple of things on at the minute.
Who would like to be a fly on wall at CAA when all these SOLI outs from UK over the years head back towards UK in April when they start giving us all our UK licenses back again 😂
woodcoc. Well done. Can I assume your email was to [email protected]?
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I always seemed to deal with the same person at IAA. So although I have sent emails to the general licensing email it has been more fruitful emailing whoever it is that has sent you emails in the past if that makes sense.
I always seemed to deal with the same person at IAA. So although I have sent emails to the general licensing email it has been more fruitful emailing whoever it is that has sent you emails in the past if that makes sense.
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yes it seems IAA still getting things done. My uk license got delivered to them, exchanged and IAA one sent out all during lockdown. Still not in my hands but on its way. I’m not sure now is the best time to transfer license unless you really need to.
if there were ever a time for digital licenses to be sorted now is the time. Even the Spanish have set this up recently due to Covid. I’ve asked IAA for digital or scanned copy but not response.
yes it seems IAA still getting things done. My uk license got delivered to them, exchanged and IAA one sent out all during lockdown. Still not in my hands but on its way. I’m not sure now is the best time to transfer license unless you really need to.
if there were ever a time for digital licenses to be sorted now is the time. Even the Spanish have set this up recently due to Covid. I’ve asked IAA for digital or scanned copy but not response.
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I applied in SEP, CAA sent the Medical in OCT and the Licence in NOV, so it’s been with them since then but no doubt delayed due to various exceptional circumstances. I’m not getting much out of emailing them so I wondered if other people’s experiences might allow us to gauge where they’re up to
Going back through this thread there’s been a massive variety of experience. I started the process in early March and my licence was ready in Sep but without the TRE certificate. That took til Nov to sort out by which time the IAA office was closed and unable to exchange. They are now open part time and my licence is on its way to Dublin as we speak. At the moment once a licence is ready the exchange seems to happen quite quickly. I have no insight into how long the actual licence takes to be created.
emails can take more than a week to get a reply. It’s very frustrating but I’ve just had to wait. I think you’d need a very good reason to go through this process as a Brit (in my case because as TRE I need to be able to sign EASA licences).
Good luck
emails can take more than a week to get a reply. It’s very frustrating but I’ve just had to wait. I think you’d need a very good reason to go through this process as a Brit (in my case because as TRE I need to be able to sign EASA licences).
Good luck
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Just to add my 2 penn'orth...
I'm at the lower end of the scale in this lark but it's still bloody chaos.
I have a house in Germany and am registered as living there which I do at least part of the year, the rest of the time I work either in France or Myanmar depending on the time of year. I hold a UK passport.
We were all told the back end of 2019 to convert our UK (CAA) CPLs(Balloons) to a UK EASA licence as after April 2020 we could no longer fly on the old CPL...I believe I was the first mug to do this, closely followed by many others. As a bonus we could keep our UK CPLs for a small(35 quid) fee for use in countries who still preferred to validate UK licences rather than EASA ones(Such as Myanmar- however they now also accept EASA...).
This all would, we were assured, ensure we could legally operate in Europe as well as the UK; All well and good, but surely someone high up must've known that come Brexit it could all go tits-up, however no mention was made of the what-if at that point: The importance was to convert the licence ASAP.
Now someone more cynical than me might suggest that this was a blatant money making scheme...with no thought given to the consequences should a no-deal(or sh1te deal) be the result.
Fast forward to now and luckily the Myanmar DCA validated my UK CPL not my EASA BPL else I'd be in the poo now...However I'm now in the position of
1. Not being able to fly French registered balloons
2. Not being able to work in France for more than 3 months
3. Not being able to keep 'recent' on a friends German registered balloon
Thanks a bundle
The suggestion has been made that I renew my recently lapsed French licence(Lapsed due to my not needing it as I had shiny new EASA licence-Ha!) and then convert it to a French EASA licence and NOT mention the UK EASA licence to them at all... As to working there then the only option as my contract is for 4 1/2 months is to try and get a Carte de Sejour for the duration...Tres amusant
I'm at the lower end of the scale in this lark but it's still bloody chaos.
I have a house in Germany and am registered as living there which I do at least part of the year, the rest of the time I work either in France or Myanmar depending on the time of year. I hold a UK passport.
We were all told the back end of 2019 to convert our UK (CAA) CPLs(Balloons) to a UK EASA licence as after April 2020 we could no longer fly on the old CPL...I believe I was the first mug to do this, closely followed by many others. As a bonus we could keep our UK CPLs for a small(35 quid) fee for use in countries who still preferred to validate UK licences rather than EASA ones(Such as Myanmar- however they now also accept EASA...).
This all would, we were assured, ensure we could legally operate in Europe as well as the UK; All well and good, but surely someone high up must've known that come Brexit it could all go tits-up, however no mention was made of the what-if at that point: The importance was to convert the licence ASAP.
Now someone more cynical than me might suggest that this was a blatant money making scheme...with no thought given to the consequences should a no-deal(or sh1te deal) be the result.
Fast forward to now and luckily the Myanmar DCA validated my UK CPL not my EASA BPL else I'd be in the poo now...However I'm now in the position of
1. Not being able to fly French registered balloons
2. Not being able to work in France for more than 3 months
3. Not being able to keep 'recent' on a friends German registered balloon
Thanks a bundle
The suggestion has been made that I renew my recently lapsed French licence(Lapsed due to my not needing it as I had shiny new EASA licence-Ha!) and then convert it to a French EASA licence and NOT mention the UK EASA licence to them at all... As to working there then the only option as my contract is for 4 1/2 months is to try and get a Carte de Sejour for the duration...Tres amusant
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Clyde & Co, a leading UK aviation law firms view of Brexit and aviation.
https://sites-clydeco.vuturevx.com/1...1-6a8f2110ce6b
Why did we bother? Nothing to be gained.
With the government giving all assistance short of actual help as a result of the pandemic and Brexit UK aviation is not in a good place.
https://sites-clydeco.vuturevx.com/1...1-6a8f2110ce6b
Why did we bother? Nothing to be gained.
With the government giving all assistance short of actual help as a result of the pandemic and Brexit UK aviation is not in a good place.
You think a report about flying around Europe post brexit is a good reason to ask why you bothered? I don't think brexit was about how easy people could fly between EU and UK.
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You miss the point. Did you read the link?
It was about the difficulties faced by the UK aviation industry as a result of Brexit and the 'deal'.
Something that was always going to happen. Other industries will also be suffering.
Well done to those airlines that put plans into place to mitigate the effects of leaving the EU.
It was about the difficulties faced by the UK aviation industry as a result of Brexit and the 'deal'.
Something that was always going to happen. Other industries will also be suffering.
Well done to those airlines that put plans into place to mitigate the effects of leaving the EU.
Brexit – will the flying public notice any meaningful difference?
Im sorry, I didn't realise it was article about the poor old airlines. Judging by the title, it is aimed at the flying public.
But yes I did read it and yes I understand it. If you fly a G reg plane and you have a UK CAA licence you can't do legs that start and finish in the EU. Your flight must either start of finish in the UK. This isnt anything new. Move on, nothing to see here.
Im sorry, I didn't realise it was article about the poor old airlines. Judging by the title, it is aimed at the flying public.
But yes I did read it and yes I understand it. If you fly a G reg plane and you have a UK CAA licence you can't do legs that start and finish in the EU. Your flight must either start of finish in the UK. This isnt anything new. Move on, nothing to see here.
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Be very careful with working in France without a visa at all, the exceptions for working on the normal "tourist" non visa entry in the deal are very very limited in scope, aimed at conferences and trade shows.
That said, no need to mention the UK license at all, it is not an EASA license anymore anyway.
Be very careful with working in France without a visa at all, the exceptions for working on the normal "tourist" non visa entry in the deal are very very limited in scope, aimed at conferences and trade shows.
That said, no need to mention the UK license at all, it is not an EASA license anymore anyway.