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Air Djibouti B737 has a serious prang

Old 2nd Dec 2020, 20:31
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Air Djibouti B737 has a serious prang

Only a couple of years into their newly revived operation and Air Djibouti have bent a B737-500, ripping off its righthand main undercarriage leg. Fortunately no casualties amongst either the pax or crew.


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Old 2nd Dec 2020, 20:40
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I'm given to understand that the British team, whom were formerly brought in to revive the fortunes of Air Djibouti, left that airline in good shape when they withdrew (that was back in mid 2017) albeit with apparently significant concerns regarding the 'Safety & Compliance' culture of the team whom were latterly put in charge at the airline and whom have run it since.

This accident perhaps gives credence to those concerns, wherein one does have to question how the present management at Air Djibouti actively choose to operate commercial scheduled passenger services to an airfield that has zero fire cover? (where, in this case, the airport fire truck reportedly wasn't serviceable for upwards of two months) what with that sort of thing being in contravention of ICAO Annex 14 / Aerodrome Standards - Aerodrome Design and Operations / Section 9.2 / 'Rescue and fire fighting'.... which requires that airports without a functional fire service be closed and that flights should not be operated either to / from there; wherein to do otherwise is both illegal & dangerous.

Therein Air Djibouti has knowingly & wilfully put passengers lives at risk and it's only by sheer good fortune that nothing worse happened in this accident and that people weren't either injured or worse.


Airports fire truck missing a wheel for the last +2 months.
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Old 2nd Dec 2020, 22:33
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Air safety

The innocent people who pay to travel with this airline, as indeed they do with so many other airlines in this continent, assume that they operate safely and also legally. It is a sad fact that airline operations such as this are often unsafe and illegal.

Africa is possibly the riskiest continent in which to travel by air, and yet also the one for which air travel is the most necessary.

Corruption and mismanagement in many companies are of a high order. Within the airlines operating they impact upon the aviation safety culture, which is presently of a very low level.

Caveat emptor.
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IMHO the thread or at least the beginning of the text should be "Asia Sky Lines Boeing 737-500 operating for Air Djibouti-Red Sea Airlines", since Asia Sky its from another country and also another continent (Tajikistan), Cheers
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The fire truck was missing a wheel but evidently that did not delay it's arrival, more important was the firefighting equipment up to scratch etc etc etc. I guess it all depends upon what the truck's MEL was.
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FlightGlobal quotes Air Djibouti as reporting that the aircraft had a "tyre problem". Well you could say that, I suppose.
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Old 3rd Dec 2020, 09:33
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Careful with posting definitive statements , a photo of one fire truck with a missing wheel does not mean much as it is not the only firefighting equipment in the airport .
Djibouti is a joint civil/military airport , with both French and US air forces present and they have their own equipment as well.
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Accident: Djibouti B735 at Garowe on Dec 2nd 2020, touched down short of runway, gear collapse on roll out
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Update: Aviation Herald has a picture showing this aircraft touched down short of the runway, and the main gear hit the raised asphalt threshold, causing the gear collapse.

Accident: Djibouti B735 at Garowe on Dec 2nd 2020, touched down short of runway, gear collapse on roll out

Reminiscent of the Utair accident we were discussing 10 months ago (clipped 1m snow berm just short of threshold). Although snow was likely not a factor in Djibouti

Accident: UTAir B735 in Usinsk on Feb 9th 2020, landed short of runway, gear collapse and runway excursion on landing
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Old 3rd Dec 2020, 15:33
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Originally Posted by ATC Watcher View Post
Careful with posting definitive statements , a photo of one fire truck with a missing wheel does not mean much as it is not the only firefighting equipment in the airport .
Djibouti is a joint civil/military airport , with both French and US air forces present and they have their own equipment as well.
Which is utterly irrelevant as the accident didn't happen in Djibouti. The aircraft landed down short in Garowe on a service that was supposed to be Djibouti-Hargeisa-Garowe-Mogadishu. The fire truck mentioned is that of Garowe.
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Oops , read too fast , thought it was in Djibouti ..disregard my remark then .
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Old 3rd Dec 2020, 20:25
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If you run a check list “safety of operation into any Somalian airport”, the missing wheel on a fire truck will be one of your last concerns. It is like escaping a police chase in a stolen car with dead body in trunk and back seat full of guns and drugs - shall the expired car fire extinguisher be of any concern?
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Presumably an uninsured loss. Whoever would give insurance to a carrier operating a 737 into a place without fire cover ?
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Old 6th Dec 2020, 10:17
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Domestic airports in Australia removed all fire cover in the '80s. Fire cover only required for International operations.
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Originally Posted by pattern_is_full View Post
...the main gear hit the raised asphalt threshold...
Yup, that did the trick.

Some of the commenters here clearly lack any knowledge of local conditions on the ground. I have been to Hargeisa quite recently (last year), while that region is perfectly calm and safe, there is no way I would attempt overland travel to Puntland. Given the choice, I would willingly take said airline in full awareness that there are no CFR facilities at the other end. The passengers in this particular flight may have been jolted a bit, but were still much safer than if they would have taken any other means of transport.
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It is just a matter of agreed premiums. Everything has a price... Tickets for flights in this part of the world don't come cheap, I guess all this is factored in.
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With a 2000m runway they would have wanted the aircraft on the ground as early as possible, and I doubt there was any form of glideslope guidance such as ILS or VASIs. It looks like they eyeballed the approach and misjudged an attempt to land as close to the beginning of the runway as possible.
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Checkboard : Rbally ? What was the thinking behind such an absurd decision, if true ? What is the difference in risk to operating domestic or international ? You might, for example, abbandon take-off, burst tyres, catch fire but only in Oz would there be no risk as the flight was "domestic". Sorry Checkers, I don't believe it.
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Old 7th Dec 2020, 08:51
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Theoretically yes, but I somehow doubt an operator from Kyrgyzstan operating in dark Africa is going to have shelled out way above the premium that BA would pay. And what goes for hull insurance presumably goes for the pax as well.
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