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British Airways Boeing 747 caught fire at Castellon Airport, Spain

Old 23rd Nov 2020, 21:18
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E Cube has been mentioned elsewhere.
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Old 23rd Nov 2020, 21:46
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However.

in hindsight i admit that referring to something which people have cared for for a long time as "some hulk" was insensitive. for that I apologise. I myself have seen airframes that i've flown and cared for end up in similar circumstances and it is not easy.

But my point remains the same - I don't want people putting themselves in harms way to protect something that is going to be turned into scrap anyway.
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Old 23rd Nov 2020, 22:17
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Having watched, along with my colleagues, aircraft which one has worked on, or flown, only a few weeks/months/years previously now being torn apart with the help of a JCB, I can vouch for the fact that it's a valuable lesson in Airline Economics 101.
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Old 24th Nov 2020, 09:13
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It's quite reminiscent of the DHL fire at San Francisco in 2008.

Here's an extract;

"the initiation of the fire could be traced to internal ignition of a pvc oxygen supply hose in the crew compartment."

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Old 24th Nov 2020, 14:07
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Originally Posted by TURIN
I wonder what was the source of ignition. Someone having a crafty fag while they work or was there any grease around?

Sad sight though. An iconic image for 2020.
Crafty fag ?
There's a smoke removal vent on the top of the forward fuselage, operated by a T handle on the overhead panel. When BA got round to banning smoking on the flight deck, transgressions were occasionally reported to management by the cabin crew, which could result in a formal carpeting and a loss of seniority for the transgressor. Die hard tab hounds used to crack the smoke vent in flight, and wedge the T handle with a ten pence piece, so that any cigarette smoke on the flight deck went out of the vent, and didn't filter back to the forward galley.
In the olden days, a few Flight Engineers smoked pipes or cigars on the 747 100's and 200's. If you turned round in your seat to speak to them, you couldn't see them, but you knew they were there.
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Old 24th Nov 2020, 15:02
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Did the -400 have that vent? I thought it was just the classics...

Heard a great story once about a flight engineer who got fed up with the dust and crumbs being left on the consoles. He bought a length of plastic tube and would attach it to the smoke vent so he could use it as a hoover!
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Old 24th Nov 2020, 15:29
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Did the -400 have that vent? I thought it was just the classics...
My understanding is that it was originally the tube for mounting the sextant on the early models and it was “repurposed” as a smoke vent.

Die hard tab hounds used to crack the smoke vent in flight, and wedge the T handle with a ten pence piece, so that any cigarette smoke on the flight deck went out of the vent, and didn't filter back to the forward galley.
I remember a particular Captain on a Gatwick-Houston trip in 1998 doing almost exactly that! The only difference was that he used a £1 coin. Typical BA Captain; I’m surprised he didn’t use a £50 note to light up........
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Old 24th Nov 2020, 15:31
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Heard a great story once about a flight engineer who got fed up with the dust and crumbs being left on the consoles. He bought a length of plastic tube and would attach it to the smoke vent so he could use it as a hoover!
That's so old - we used all sorts of holes in the (unpressurised) Shack to hoover up rubbish, as taught to FE's and others from their predecessors on aircraft going back to before WWII.
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Old 24th Nov 2020, 17:57
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Isn't the practice of painting over airline livery on retired planes done to prevent this kind of negative imagery getting into the public domain - in this case, smoke belching from a cockpit next to BA logos?
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Old 24th Nov 2020, 19:07
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Isn't the practice of painting over airline livery on retired planes done to prevent this kind of negative imagery getting into the public domain - in this case, smoke belching from a cockpit next to BA logos?
It's a long time since BA worried about such niceties.


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Old 24th Nov 2020, 20:38
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Mid '70s a BA One-Eleven landed at Hurn without the nose gear extended. Soon after everyone was off a BA van appeared and a man painted out the name, filmed by local TV crew. Then a crane came along to lift the nose and remove the aircraft from the runway.
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Old 24th Nov 2020, 23:02
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Castellon as a location is relatively new to the aircraft scrapping business, one of a number of newer locations that have appeared in recent times to deal with the upsurge of withdrawn airliners. BA had only just started using that location, with in the past BA using Victorville [USA] Kemble and Newquay [England] St Athan [Wales] and Teruel [Spain]

The oxygen system should [hopefully] have been turned off at the bottles but maybe someone missed the two crew bottles that are in a different location to all the passenger bottles or forgot to depressurise the crew system?
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Old 24th Nov 2020, 23:16
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A bit of thread drift, but should I ask why a British Airways 737 has a "5Y" registration?
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Old 24th Nov 2020, 23:41
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BA franchise in Kenya with Regional Air

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Air_(Kenya)

Similar deal in South Africa (Comair)
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Old 25th Nov 2020, 13:07
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Until recently, eCube at St Athan were painting out the BA livery on the 747s. The same company are also doing the dismantling at this location in Spain and were harvesting G-CIVD at the time of the incident.
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Old 26th Nov 2020, 06:46
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More footage including the interior...
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Old 26th Nov 2020, 11:28
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I'm surprised the engines are still under the wing.
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Old 26th Nov 2020, 13:11
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Why are you surprised about the engines? All the BA 747s had quite high hours engines and there isn't a massive market for RB211s, in fact most of the BA RB211s being sold are not even going to the aviation industry.
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Old 26th Nov 2020, 13:44
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I would think there are still quite a few spare parts and valuable materials for recycling in them and they are fairly easy to take apart.
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Old 26th Nov 2020, 18:46
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