BA and Ryanair crews put into quarantine from Denmark

[LTNman]

Pilots and cabin crew flying in from Copenhagen now have to quarantine for 14 days from today. This also applies to their families. Any volunteers for tomorrow’s flights?

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-b1667693.html

[scr1]

Loganair have canceled their ABZ-EBJ flights

[ara01jbb]

Unexpected discovery of the day: that Danes factory farm mink on an industrial scale.

[Globally Challenged]

The Dutch are in on the same game I believe

[Pistonprop]

A mandatory screening of all Dutch mink farms has been instituted and infected mink farms are culled as of 5 June. A mandatory closing scheme for Dutch mink farms will be introduced from the spring of 2021.

[LTNman]

The whole point is if this new strain gets outside Denmark and is community spread then we could be back to day zero with a new vaccine required. Think China December 2019.

[STN Ramp Rat]

and it gives a taste of the future ..... this time round the UK was quick with backdated quarantine and banning Danish Citizens from visiting the UK. I think this is going to happen whenever any country has an unexpected outbreak of anything going forward.

[PilotLZ]

There would have been lots and lots of whining if the same had been done with China the very moment they reported the initial outbreak. But who knows, it could have worked out a lot cheaper long-term... But we were a bit too busy analysing the violation of human rights in the Wuhan lockdown back then. Only to find our own lockdown being presented as "a community effort to protect the NHS and save lives" a mere two months later.

[bvcu]

Spain also culled over 100,000 mink a little while ago, so not new........

[Jack D]

I too was surprised that “enlightened” countries
like Denmark and the Netherlands were involved in industrial scale fur farms.

I wondered where the market for such product could be as fur is definitely out of favour for fashion clothing in these days .

No surprises ! China is the main recipient of farmed animal pelts. It would seem the mink are the ones with a grievance as they were infected by farm workers, they recovered and passed the virus back in mutated form.

Time to learn that keeping animals in a crowded , hot house environment is unhealthy for all concerned

[Feathers McGraw]

Originally Posted by LTNman

The whole point is if this new strain gets outside Denmark and is community spread then we could be back to day zero with a new vaccine required. Think China December 2019.

The thing is, coronaviruses actually don't mutate that rapidly, especially not within a species. That means that the human immune system does gain long term immunity quite quickly due to normal population transmission. We don't generally need vaccines for this type of relatively benign virus. People who had SARS in 2003 still show T-cell and antibody immunity after 17 years.

The vaccine efforts all seem to be aimed at pharmaceutical companies making big profits. Anything that might stop this happening appears to be a desperate problem for the authorities. Now, ask why this action is being taking so rapidly without any definitive adverse evidence for human health.

[Jack D]

Not sure if the relatives of the 1.25 million deceased, trend increasing, would agree with you on that .

[SOPS]

Feathers McGraw

I am not sure this person would agree with you


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-54793726

[Feathers McGraw]

There are always people that react badly to viral illnesses, I had something like it in 1983 after glandular fever (mononucleosis).

[Feathers McGraw]

They might not. However you might ask yourself why diagnoses of seasonal flu have fallen to near zero in many countries with a significant Covid19 toll, and why the relative severity of Covid19 in a given country is inversely proportional to the severity of the preceding year's winter flu in that country.

Excess deaths in the UK exceeded the 5 year average from April to June, but are now pretty much in line with previous year's death statistics. In addition, the average age of deaths from/with Covid19 is actually slightly higher than the average life expectancy.

1600 people die every day in the UK, from a wide variety of causes. Government has made it very easy for a doctor to put Covid19 on a death certificate here, I have personal experience of it in several cases of people who would almost certainly have died of flu had SARS-CoV-2 not come along.

I certainly don't like seeing everyone associated with the airline industry being treated so very badly on the basis of science that is actually well understood but is being ignored at very high levels of government.

[Jack D]

Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw

There are always people that react badly to viral illnesses, I had something like it in 1983 after glandular fever (mononucleosis).

I agree , after all death can be considered a fairly bad reaction when one thinks about it .

[misd-agin]

Maybe the flu is lower so far this year because masks work? Could it be that simple, or obvious?

[JMock]

for sure
and has been remarked upon by our medical fraternity here in Hong King where masks are 100%

[krismiler]

Add in a reduction in other illnesses due to increased hygiene, reduction in traffic accidents and industrial injuries due to the lockdown, and you’re pretty close to normal.

[White Knight]

But more undiagnosed cancers, heart disease, diabetes... And a greater incidence of suicides due to the mental toll of these ridiculous lockdowns! And increased 'hygiene' can lead to reduced immunity overall to other viruses. Be careful what you wish for with that one!

Masks are fine for a while, but how about looking at the environmental impact of disposing of them. This virus is here to stay and the sooner people work that out (especially those dishing out the draconian restrictions) the better.