TUI Zante to Cardiff - Covid
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TUI Zante to Cardiff - Covid
Surprised this has not attracted attention.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53966897
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...rdiff-18856588
Latest reports say 7 passengers from three separate groups were already infectious when they boarded the flight. Another 9 have now tested positive, with the implication that they were infected while travelling (either at the departure airport, in flight, or on arrival). All 187 passengers have been asked to self isolate.
It would be really interesting to know how many of the 187 on board had completed the UK government arrival questionnaire online. I don't know if they check at Cardiff, but (in my experience) they don't at Heathrow.
A Brit who works for me has just quarantined in Italy (on the company dollar) and it cost (hotels, meals, car hire, flights....) around £3,000. I think there is a fundamental problem in that for many isolating abroad if you think you have COVID is simply not something you can afford, both because of the direct cost of the quarantine and the potential loss of income that results. So people will get on the plane even if they think they have it. And if you can't afford to quarantine you are going to think twice about getting a flight in the first place.
These are very difficult times.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53966897
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...rdiff-18856588
Latest reports say 7 passengers from three separate groups were already infectious when they boarded the flight. Another 9 have now tested positive, with the implication that they were infected while travelling (either at the departure airport, in flight, or on arrival). All 187 passengers have been asked to self isolate.
It would be really interesting to know how many of the 187 on board had completed the UK government arrival questionnaire online. I don't know if they check at Cardiff, but (in my experience) they don't at Heathrow.
A Brit who works for me has just quarantined in Italy (on the company dollar) and it cost (hotels, meals, car hire, flights....) around £3,000. I think there is a fundamental problem in that for many isolating abroad if you think you have COVID is simply not something you can afford, both because of the direct cost of the quarantine and the potential loss of income that results. So people will get on the plane even if they think they have it. And if you can't afford to quarantine you are going to think twice about getting a flight in the first place.
These are very difficult times.
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The problem is the hysterical media. About 1500 people are testing positive each day in the UK. Probably caught on buses, trains and just being out and about.
There are twice as many hospitals in the UK than the number of C19 cases actually unwell enough to be in hospital. Only 2 deaths yesterday.
But the utter madness continues from a government that is driven by the media.
There are twice as many hospitals in the UK than the number of C19 cases actually unwell enough to be in hospital. Only 2 deaths yesterday.
But the utter madness continues from a government that is driven by the media.
I think TUI will be paying loads of compo to the other SLF onboard for this one. Class action, balance of probability being the test in a civil court.
It’s disappointing to read that the crew didn’t seem interested in enforcing the regulations. This is just another reason for passengers to stay away from flying. Airline staff have to make sure that all passengers feel safe while they’re aboard.
It’s disappointing to read that the crew didn’t seem interested in enforcing the regulations
How about stopping drinking and eating on board? This is when people lower their masks, sometimes for hours.
If the industry doesn't deal with it now the public will perceive flying as Covid-19-dangerous and maybe stop travelling even more?
If the industry doesn't deal with it now the public will perceive flying as Covid-19-dangerous and maybe stop travelling even more?
* Of course lawyers would claim "mental anguish fearing that they might contract coronavirus." I hope that wouldn't work, but in today's world it just might.
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That won't make much differencel because the masks that we "normal people" can buy won't protect anyone during a flight lasting several hours. They are good enough for the queue in the supermarket or a fifteen minute bus ride - but not for anything longer than that.
That won't make much differencel because the masks that we "normal people" can buy won't protect anyone during a flight lasting several hours. They are good enough for the queue in the supermarket or a fifteen minute bus ride - but not for anything longer than that.
It’s disappointing to read that the crew didn’t seem interested in enforcing the regulations.
There is more risk contracting it in a supermarket/ restaurant or pub. Most people will spend more than fifteen minutes in a supermarket. Air ventilation on a flight is far superior to many indoor public spaces but let’s not let the truth get in the way of a good story!
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Popcorn ready...
Is there any objective proof that any case of infection stemmed directly from the flight? Or, for that purpose, from the holiday location, namely Zante? Maybe those people got infected in the UK before leaving for Greece? Like, on the bus on the way to work on the last day before their one-week holiday? Not showing any symptoms for 8-10 days after infection is not that uncommon.
Is there any objective proof that any case of infection stemmed directly from the flight? Or, for that purpose, from the holiday location, namely Zante? Maybe those people got infected in the UK before leaving for Greece? Like, on the bus on the way to work on the last day before their one-week holiday? Not showing any symptoms for 8-10 days after infection is not that uncommon.
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The airlines (or airports) could give out KN95 FPP2 face masks (without a valve). Instead of the triple wrapped postage stamp sized wet wipe I was given.
That would make a difference: and show they took their responsibilities seriously. If you look at CFD modelling of air distribution in a commercial jet (and recognise you cannot move away from whoever you are next to for the duration of the flight) it is hard to argue the risk profile is similar to that in a supermarket, restaurant or bar.
That would make a difference: and show they took their responsibilities seriously. If you look at CFD modelling of air distribution in a commercial jet (and recognise you cannot move away from whoever you are next to for the duration of the flight) it is hard to argue the risk profile is similar to that in a supermarket, restaurant or bar.
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The point I was making is that aviation is in a bad enough place already without yet more things happening to put the public off flying. If the crew wasn’t prepared to tackle the issue then they are doing themselves and their colleagues out of even more revenue = jobs. As a minimum the crew should film the actions of those on board so that they can be prosecuted later...at least everyone would know that there are consequences for not following the rules.
By the way, I wouldn’t allow any exceptions to the mask wearing rule. If you can’t wear one, you can’t fly. The public needs to have total confidence in their own safety before they will fly in big numbers.
The point I was making is that aviation is in a bad enough place already without yet more things happening to put the public off flying. If the crew wasn’t prepared to tackle the issue then they are doing themselves and their colleagues out of even more revenue = jobs. As a minimum the crew should film the actions of those on board so that they can be prosecuted later...at least everyone would know that there are consequences for not following the rules.
By the way, I wouldn’t allow any exceptions to the mask wearing rule. If you can’t wear one, you can’t fly. The public needs to have total confidence in their own safety before they will fly in big numbers.
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Seems like a fantastic way to de-escalate a situation. 
Much like any other business in the UK, I'd imagine the onus is on the public / customers to comply with a mask policy. It's not for workers to have to go round telling people to be socially responsible.
Much like any other business in the UK, I'd imagine the onus is on the public / customers to comply with a mask policy. It's not for workers to have to go round telling people to be socially responsible.
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The cabin crew are under enough pressure with potential redundancies/pay cuts etc staring them in the face to walk into a cabin with drink fuelled passengers to argue over a mask.
Why did the women giving it both barrels in the press not tell her ‘fellow passenger’ to put the mask on? Probably a case of ‘not my problem, I’m not being paid for that’ - the usual case with joe public.
If you feel at risk anywhere, don’t be there!! Simple. The media love it, they’ll go out there way and step on every industry/business if it generates a reaction (which it always seems to do), they have EVERYTHING to answer for with this ‘pandemic’.
Why did the women giving it both barrels in the press not tell her ‘fellow passenger’ to put the mask on? Probably a case of ‘not my problem, I’m not being paid for that’ - the usual case with joe public.
If you feel at risk anywhere, don’t be there!! Simple. The media love it, they’ll go out there way and step on every industry/business if it generates a reaction (which it always seems to do), they have EVERYTHING to answer for with this ‘pandemic’.
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Sometimes the fear of infection can be more dangerous than the infection itself.
In 1990 in Port of Spain (POS) a gay guy had an argument with his partner in an airport hotel room. He bashed him on the head with a table lamp / fire extinguisher, (reports differ), and ran naked towards the airport, scaling the fence. The security guys tied to apprehend him. He knocked them about a bit too, and commandeered their vehicle. He then drove it into the number two engine of a BA 747-236 lined up at the end of the runway. The top of the vehicle went into the engine which coughed a bit, but kept running.. He then exited the vehicle, and chucked himself into the engine. Again, it coughed a bit, but continued to run.
The airport authorities wouldn't go near the aircraft, in fear of contracting AIDS ( big news about this time). The Flight Engineer had to arrange and carry out a hose down of the engine himself.
The lesson is ... infections are here forever, may not be as serious as the media would have you believe, and RB211's are mighty fine aircraft engines.
In 1990 in Port of Spain (POS) a gay guy had an argument with his partner in an airport hotel room. He bashed him on the head with a table lamp / fire extinguisher, (reports differ), and ran naked towards the airport, scaling the fence. The security guys tied to apprehend him. He knocked them about a bit too, and commandeered their vehicle. He then drove it into the number two engine of a BA 747-236 lined up at the end of the runway. The top of the vehicle went into the engine which coughed a bit, but kept running.. He then exited the vehicle, and chucked himself into the engine. Again, it coughed a bit, but continued to run.
The airport authorities wouldn't go near the aircraft, in fear of contracting AIDS ( big news about this time). The Flight Engineer had to arrange and carry out a hose down of the engine himself.
The lesson is ... infections are here forever, may not be as serious as the media would have you believe, and RB211's are mighty fine aircraft engines.