Air India Runway Excursion
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According to news reports Captain Sathe was given a state funeral today for his heroism.
https://edtimes.in/late-air-india-pi...m-a-real-hero/
https://edtimes.in/late-air-india-pi...m-a-real-hero/
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I don't think state funeral is the correct analogy. Since he is ex armed forces he is entitled to a funeral as per military protocol at the armed forces crematorium along with the gun salute. Read as much into the state funeral as you will about switching off the engines. Over eager narrative that is searching for heroes where there are none.
The ED Times article contains other gems, including the following from the Captain's cousin:
As well as the editorial comment:
So no need for an investigation report.
Landing gears didn’t work.
Ex IAF pilot made three rounds of airport to empty the fuel which saved plane from catching fire. That’s why there was no smoke seen coming from the crashed aircraft.
He turned off the engine right before the crash.
He belly landed after the 3rd iteration.
The right wing was ruptured.
The Pilot martyred but saved life of 180 co-passengers.
Ex IAF pilot made three rounds of airport to empty the fuel which saved plane from catching fire. That’s why there was no smoke seen coming from the crashed aircraft.
He turned off the engine right before the crash.
He belly landed after the 3rd iteration.
The right wing was ruptured.
The Pilot martyred but saved life of 180 co-passengers.
... the plane crashed due to bad weather that had made the runway slippery and led to the plane being unable to make a safe landing.
The flight ... overshot the table-top runway at the airport due to heavy rains.
The flight ... overshot the table-top runway at the airport due to heavy rains.
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They crashed cause they landed half the runway and apparently tried to go around on top of that. Sure let's wait for for the investigation report but calling him a hero is an insult to all the innocent people who lost their life.
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Before everyone gets too upset / indignant / outraged about how the Indian press & general public have reacted to this extraordinary accident then perhaps they should reflect upon the way the initial press reports of the Kegworth 737 accident at East Midlands were written. In particular the captain (small c here!) was hailed as a hero for saving so many lives..........
I may have missed it but is there evidence, as opposed to conjecture, that either of the above happened?
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Arun Kumar, Director-General for Civil Aviation, told CNN News-18 on Saturday that the plane landed about 3,000 feet into a 9,000 feet-long runway, causing it to breach a further 240-meter (787 feet) safety area at high speed and crash into a valley beyond.
de minimus non curat lex
Start at #178 and add to it with credible information and pictures from the crash site. Look at AVHerald.com for additional information.
A matter for conjecture ~ why didn’t they divert......
A matter for conjecture ~ why didn’t they divert......
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de minimus non curat lex
Just that bit higher gliding past it might have been a whole different story?
The popular press do tend to create a story.
The AAIB of course eventually painted a somewhat different picture from that of hero.
Let us hope the Indian authorities are as punctilious as their UK AAIB counterparts.
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Hey, "Airbubba" Dude, I presume you too are a "Pilot" ???
I knew this Officer - as a fellow Test Pilot.
Let's cut some slack here, may we please?
I agree that that putting the Captain on a pedestal ( mostly initiated by a retired Air Marshal of the IAF, who must have been his immediate superior in some capacity a long time ago and perhaps in good faith) - was definitely premature.
It also may be appearing increasingly evident that the landing may have been botched.
But does that excuse you for using the sarcasm here ??? Against a chap who really cannot defend himself now?
Take a break fella, will you please?
I knew this Officer - as a fellow Test Pilot.
Let's cut some slack here, may we please?
I agree that that putting the Captain on a pedestal ( mostly initiated by a retired Air Marshal of the IAF, who must have been his immediate superior in some capacity a long time ago and perhaps in good faith) - was definitely premature.
It also may be appearing increasingly evident that the landing may have been botched.
But does that excuse you for using the sarcasm here ??? Against a chap who really cannot defend himself now?
Take a break fella, will you please?
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Are you familiar with Captain Sathe's earlier crash? Was it a Hindustan MiG-21? The inspiring story of his recovery after being told that he would never fly again is reminiscent of the medical saga of SR-71 pilot Brian Shul.
Airbubba,
Human actions, statements, are influenced by their point of view.
Thus perhaps with a more worldly view, your comments, seen by some to be offensive or misjudged, could be reconsidered to reflect cultures other than yours - US ?
This issue also relates to other posts in this thread which are blinked by a single point of view, personal experiences, 'home' culture - national, organisational, or professional.
Accidents can be generalised as involving the situation and context.
Situation - factual; evidence of the situation at the time the event occurred. This cannot be easily judged by others without the facts from recordings nor specialist interpretation.
Context - subjective; beliefs, motivations, perceptions and values of the individuals involved. Any judgement of these will be subjective, according to viewpoint, and cannot be stated with any certainty.
More fruitful discussion might start with what is not known, opposed to what is attributed to 'fact'.
Human actions, statements, are influenced by their point of view.
Thus perhaps with a more worldly view, your comments, seen by some to be offensive or misjudged, could be reconsidered to reflect cultures other than yours - US ?
This issue also relates to other posts in this thread which are blinked by a single point of view, personal experiences, 'home' culture - national, organisational, or professional.
Accidents can be generalised as involving the situation and context.
Situation - factual; evidence of the situation at the time the event occurred. This cannot be easily judged by others without the facts from recordings nor specialist interpretation.
Context - subjective; beliefs, motivations, perceptions and values of the individuals involved. Any judgement of these will be subjective, according to viewpoint, and cannot be stated with any certainty.
More fruitful discussion might start with what is not known, opposed to what is attributed to 'fact'.
"More fruitful discussion might start with what is not known"
OK, then, alf, for you:
Why touch down 1/3 of the way along a wet runway with a tailwind and marginal LDA?
Why not then go-round?
Fruitful discussion?
OK, then, alf, for you:
Why touch down 1/3 of the way along a wet runway with a tailwind and marginal LDA?
Why not then go-round?
Fruitful discussion?