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PIA banned from European Airspace for 6 months

Old 30th Jun 2020, 14:05
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 14:14
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Only 6 months? It could be continually monitored and extended as necessary?
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EU is banning Americans also, but their planes can come.
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I thought the PIA ban was related to the discovery of a large number of fraudulent pilot licences in Pakistan. Does the USA have the same problem?
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Only 6 months? It could be continually monitored and extended as necessary?
I'm pretty sure that it will be so.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 15:32
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Garuda was a main line operator that was banned from EU airspace for some years in the naughties. EU rights were only reinstated after they could prove that robust 'quality' measures were in place.
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The allegation regarding Pilots licensing is a pretty serious one I’d say. So I’m sure this ban will be in place until some strict measures are Proven to be working.
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https://www.dawn.com/news/1566153/pi...for-six-months
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 17:50
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I thought the PIA ban was related to the discovery of a large number of fraudulent pilot licences in Pakistan. Does the USA have the same problem?
No that is not the US problem. The EU feels that the USA does not have adequate control over CV19 and now it's turned into a political issue on top of the medical problems. Amazing!
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 18:04
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EASA introducing a ban is the easier part of the equation.

The more difficult part will be the rehabilitation and removal of the ban, and then complying with what ever conditions EASA consider necessary.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 18:06
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Out of interest, is the ban only into EU airports, or does it cover EU airspace as well e.g NAT?
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 18:38
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Am I right in assuming that the UK is still part of EASA and therefore PIA is also banned from UK airspace, or has our leaving the EU changed this somehow?
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 18:59
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Problem is more the big bit of Europe in the way of getting from Pakistan to the U.K. I think. So in practical terms they can’t fly to the U.K. regardless of the Brexit cluster-fest.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 19:05
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As soon as Cathay Pacific Airways are looking to recruit again - there will be a spot waiting for each and every PIA pilot, at this former legacy carrier. Don´t worry about the licencing issues.
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Still currently in EASA, see e.g.: https://www.easa.europa.eu/light/topics/united-kingdom

The interesting thing is that when the ban expires, UK will almost certainly no longer be in EASA, therefore presumably PIA would have to apply to un-ban themselves from both EASA and UK CAA. Uk might in-ban them unilaterally I guess, but if they can't cross EASA airspace that isn't much good.

Does (apparently, per Telegraph Sun and Mail, so some salt required...) solve about half of our current covid-import and quarantine problem quite neatly...
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 20:30
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Originally Posted by Spooky 2
The EU feels that the USA does not have adequate control over CV19 and now it's turned into a political issue on top of the medical problems. Amazing!
Amazing? In what way?
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EASA letter, second page, third paragraph:

“….which revealed that more than 260 out of 860 pilot licenses issued by the Pakistani authorities and used by pilots operating for air operators certified in Pakistan are fraudulent.”
Interesting wording there, was it deliberate? Did EASA accuse the Pakistani authorities of issuing fraudulent licenses? It's one thing for a pilot to present a fraudulent license, it's a whole other thing if the authority issues it.... Or, should we infer that the license was issued legitimately, in good faith by the authority, based upon a fraudulent application, whose truth was not known by the authority?
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 07:30
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EASA letter, second page, third paragraph:
“….which revealed that more than 260 out of 860 pilot licenses issued by the Pakistani authorities and used by pilots operating for air operators certified in Pakistan are fraudulent.”
Interesting wording there, was it deliberate? Did EASA accuse the Pakistani authorities of issuing fraudulent licenses? It's one thing for a pilot to present a fraudulent license, it's a whole other thing if the authority issues it.... Or, should we infer that the license was issued legitimately, in good faith by the authority, based upon a fraudulent application, whose truth was not known by the authority?
I don't see any problem with that description.

One of the meanings of fraudulent is "obtained by deception". Meaning deception by the recipient, which clearly applies here and is doubtless EASA's intended meaning.
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 07:40
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Originally Posted by Spooky 2 View Post
No that is not the US problem. The EU feels that the USA does not have adequate control over CV19 and now it's turned into a political issue on top of the medical problems. Amazing!
The US has turned CV19 into a political issue with the obvious results. Based on that the EU has decided to extend the travel ban for travellers from the US, as well as other countries who are not able or willing to come up with adequate measures, until the situation changes.
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