MOL on protracted slot at 20.00 on the 22nd. MASKS.

[occasional]

Originally Posted by Dupre

i haven't read that forum, but it is at odds with EASAs recommendation to "Reduce the use of individual air supply nozzles as far as possible"

source EASAs COVID-19 Aviation Health Safety Protocol
https://www.easa.europa.eu/document-...afety-protocol

sorry for the thread drift!

Curious. I will start another thread on "Tech Log".

[Flapsupbedsdown]

Originally Posted by Denti

I didn't read that, and i am by no means someone who likes that guy. Simply said, deep cleaning before first flight, keep a universal precaution kit on board for the crew (not passengers), and require all passengers to wear masks at all times. Which of course reduces the amount of crap he can sell them while they are his willing prisoners.

A rule most likely coming into force will be to keep at least one pack running while passengers are on board, and no low cost airline nor many airports are going to like that, but alas, it is not a requirement right now.

It is already in force since march even for LCC

[Denti]

Originally Posted by Flapsupbedsdown

It is already in force since march even for LCC

Good to know, didn't have that rule in EASAland until the end of march, haven't flown since.

[Baldeep Inminj]

I cannot see how a passenger subsequently dying of Covid could ever be an issue for an airline in legal terms.

Imagine somebody travels to an airport, goes through customs, sits in waiting areas, uses the restroom, gets on a plane, collects baggage, does customs again, then travels by car/bus/train to their home, or a hotel etc etc...and on it goes...

A week later they succumb to Covid. I would defy anyone to prove in a court that they contracted it on the flight. Maybe they already had it before they travelled. Maybe over the course of a week, they caught it at some time other than the few hours they were in a plane, wearing a mask?

I think the airlines are fireproof on this one ( but I am NOT a lawyer).

[Loose rivets]

Masks aren't the answer

Tell that to the South Koreans, and the five other countries that were prepared after SARS.

It's more or less all we've got but it relies on people wearing them for the sake of others - stopping the majority of outgoing droplets.

[ATC Watcher]

I think the airlines are fireproof on this one ( but I am NOT a lawyer).

Neither am I , but it seems that in some places ( e.g. Germany , south Korea, etc..) the authorities are spending lots of resources tracing back where the initial infection came from for every patient . Like the current evangelic church gathering in FRA which got 107 people infected . so if you can trace back the origin on an infection inside an particular aircraft /flight , the door will be wide open for litigation..

[OPENDOOR]

On the question of oxygen masks over Covid19 protection masks the EASA Covid19 Aviation Health Safety Protocol has this to say;

Aeroplane operators should include in their safety demonstrations that, in case of emergency, passengers should remove their face masks before using the aircraft oxygen masks. Furthermore, aeroplane operators should instruct their crew members to remove their protective face masks in case of emergency, in order to facilitate the communication of instructions to passengers.

https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/def...gers_final.pdf

[redsetter]

Originally Posted by Loose rivets

Tell that to the South Koreans, and the five other countries that were prepared after SARS.

It's more or less all we've got but it relies on people wearing them for the sake of others - stopping the majority of outgoing droplets.

From what I've read, what most masks do (unless you've got a very high-end hermetically-sealed one) is simply redirect the spray from a cough out the edges i.e. sideways. Which may not be ideal if you're sitting next to someone.

[White Knight]

Originally Posted by ATC Watcher

so if you can trace back the origin on an infection inside an particular aircraft /flight , the door will be wide open for litigation..

Guess we'll all be signing liability releases then we we book our tickets for the next few months...

[C172Navigator]

Is there an increased risk of hypoxia at cabin altitude when wearing a mask from re-breathing your own exhaled carbon dioxide?

I must say I don't fancy wearing one whilst positioning down the back. But, I would prefer wearing one against a continued grounding of my airline.

[hunterboy]

I’ve worn one 6 times now on flights sat in economy. Not a pleasant experience. Part of the problem is the airline in question (Iberia) doesn’t turn on the APU until around 5 mins before departure. It means the cabin is extremely stuffy and warm. Things improve slightly once you get going, but it is still uncomfortable wearing a mask for such a long time. Perhaps a more expensive mask would be more comfortable? Many of the other pax didn’t seem to be fiddling with their masks as much as I was.

[PilotLZ]

Maybe something like a running mask would do the job? There are some models designed with physical activity in mind, mainly for areas with great air pollution. I don't see something like this as less effective than the simple surgical mask - but perhaps it's more comfortable to wear for extended periods of time.

Myself, I've got a couple of reusable masks with breathing valves that can be washed. Still haven't been lucky enough to try one of them on a plane though.

[Baldeep Inminj]

Originally Posted by ATC Watcher

Neither am I , but it seems that in some places ( e.g. Germany , south Korea, etc..) the authorities are spending lots of resources tracing back where the initial infection came from for every patient . Like the current evangelic church gathering in FRA which got 107 people infected . so if you can trace back the origin on an infection inside an particular aircraft /flight , the door will be wide open for litigation..

However everyone on the flight was also in the airport, customs, baggage claim etc immediately before and after. It would be impossible to prove that the moment of virus transmission happened on the plane.

I repeat my statement- airlines are fireproof.