MOL on protracted slot at 20.00 on the 22nd. MASKS.
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MOL on protracted slot at 20.00 on the 22nd. MASKS.
I'm sitting here at 04:00 the next day and haven't spotted another post, but I think it merits separate comment since he could be something of a trailblazer.
MASKS, no ifs or buts. He argued the findings. Deep cleaning before first flight and leave a chemistry around that will survive the day.
'No, of course we can't clean them at every stop'. 'No, of course we can't guarantee total safety'. Frankly, he spelled it out as it is.
He seemed to be arguing against regulation for aircraft while people are still allowed to pack into public transport.
Gosh, I'm agreeing with every word he's saying, I thought. He had quite a few minutes with dedicated camera.
Masks are the best tool if everyone wears one. I'm personally sure of that, but not everyone will be able to stand the claustrophobic and abrasive effects. A friend on long haul - just escaped back home in time - cleaned every surface of her comfy cubical thereby showing a commitment, but it wasn't long before she ripped the mask off. Will people be able to maintain their good intent even for a few hours?
MASKS, no ifs or buts. He argued the findings. Deep cleaning before first flight and leave a chemistry around that will survive the day.
'No, of course we can't clean them at every stop'. 'No, of course we can't guarantee total safety'. Frankly, he spelled it out as it is.
He seemed to be arguing against regulation for aircraft while people are still allowed to pack into public transport.
Gosh, I'm agreeing with every word he's saying, I thought. He had quite a few minutes with dedicated camera.
Masks are the best tool if everyone wears one. I'm personally sure of that, but not everyone will be able to stand the claustrophobic and abrasive effects. A friend on long haul - just escaped back home in time - cleaned every surface of her comfy cubical thereby showing a commitment, but it wasn't long before she ripped the mask off. Will people be able to maintain their good intent even for a few hours?
I wonder what MOL's liability is if someone catches the virus on one of his flights and subsequently dies?
Is there personal liability since he has been so vehemently opposed to "social distancing" etc, or were his words from on high spoken as the company's representative?
Is there personal liability since he has been so vehemently opposed to "social distancing" etc, or were his words from on high spoken as the company's representative?
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I wonder what MOL's liability is if someone catches the virus on one of his flights and subsequently dies?
Is there personal liability since he has been so vehemently opposed to "social distancing" etc, or were his words from on high spoken as the company's representative?
Is there personal liability since he has been so vehemently opposed to "social distancing" etc, or were his words from on high spoken as the company's representative?
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I'm pretty certain that any airline has zero liability for contagion on board. There's no way to guarantee that you won't get a bug when flying with them. There's only a way to guarantee that measures are in place to ensure as sanitary an environment as practically possible. Once you're familiar with that and have made the decision to travel either at your own risk or under an appropriate insurance cover, suing MOL would be about as productive as suing TfL after getting a bug on the tube.
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I didn't read that, and i am by no means someone who likes that guy. Simply said, deep cleaning before first flight, keep a universal precaution kit on board for the crew (not passengers), and require all passengers to wear masks at all times. Which of course reduces the amount of crap he can sell them while they are his willing prisoners.
A rule most likely coming into force will be to keep at least one pack running while passengers are on board, and no low cost airline nor many airports are going to like that, but alas, it is not a requirement right now.
A rule most likely coming into force will be to keep at least one pack running while passengers are on board, and no low cost airline nor many airports are going to like that, but alas, it is not a requirement right now.
Safety implications of masks.
Mrs Jump Complete asked a valid question last night with reference to passengers wearing masks. What are the safety implications of having to remove the masks firsts before donning the 02masks in the event of a depressurisation? She was asking from the point of removing the protection from the virus in order to don them, but the more pertinently, it will take time and many of the pax will probably try and don them over the face masks, which will I doubt will work very well!
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Mrs Jump Complete asked a valid question last night with reference to passengers wearing masks. What are the safety implications of having to remove the masks firsts before donning the 02masks in the event of a depressurisation? She was asking from the point of removing the protection from the virus in order to don them, but the more pertinently, it will take time and many of the pax will probably try and don them over the face masks, which will I doubt will work very well!
Well if you are in a situation where O2 make are necessary for your short term survival I'd say that the virus contamination risk should definitely not worry you too much. But if it does I'd suggest not to travel - or get out of your house for that matter - in the next few years.
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I watched the MoL interview and have to say it was probably the best, most reasoned, most reasonable, view that I have seen on TV news for weeks. Made a refreshing change from all the hysteria from the usual suspects.
At some point normality has to resume and normal life carries risks, if you dont want the risks involved with getting on a bus or airplane then don't, that will be your choice as allways.
At some point normality has to resume and normal life carries risks, if you dont want the risks involved with getting on a bus or airplane then don't, that will be your choice as allways.
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Otherwise you end up being on lockdown indefinitely.
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There's also a psychological factor in all those measures, including masks. First, things need to be done to give people reassurance as few will fly if they don't feel reasonably secure on board. Second, the last thing airlines want now is to be seen as the bad guys who have already spread the lurgy all around the world and keep doing so without any due care. Such negative publicity would crater bookings even further, give even more wiggle room to environmental activists who believe that airlines should not be supported by their states and perhaps give governments another excuse not to provide any aid on the grounds of the airlines behaving in a socially irresponsible manner and aggravating the crisis for the sake of their earnings while other industries have to introduce new rules and restrictions. So, let's say that it's a medical problem with a sociopolitical component.
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Mask regulation etc will be different in every country, so it may become a huge mess if they are compulsory in BA, but not in Aeroflot, for example, or vice versa. Even now, when free movement between Estonia and Latvia started - masks are compulsory in buses in Latvia and not compulsory in Estonia, so you need to put on mask after crossing the border after 2h ride. These measures can't last long, otherwise no one will travel, if one risks to be fined or put in quarantine, because his temperature seemed high to random security person.
There is a suggestion on another forum that each passenger should ensure that the air vent above them is on and directed at their face, which would ensure that they are breathing recently filtered air. The only caveat seems to be that the cockpit has to be persuaded to keep the air at an appropriate temperature.
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There is a suggestion on another forum that each passenger should ensure that the air vent above them is on and directed at their face, which would ensure that they are breathing recently filtered air. The only caveat seems to be that the cockpit has to be persuaded to keep the air at an appropriate temperature.
source EASAs COVID-19 Aviation Health Safety Protocol
https://www.easa.europa.eu/document-...afety-protocol
sorry for the thread drift!
