PIA A320 Crash Karachi

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by mayam13

Zubair is a survivor, a mechanical engineer, the other survivor is CEO of Punjab National Bank. The passenger would not now the gear was not down, no emergency was declared by pilot to Tower or to passengers

Maybe, though I would expect that many passengers on board who were regular travellers would have recognised the sound (or absence of sound) of the gear being lowered.

[vilas]

Originally Posted by Uplinker

Thanks tdracer

Interestingly, I cannot find the speed graphs for the GPWS functions in the FCOM any more. Probably me being dim.

They have been removed from FCOM. Why is that not known. You could check with Airbus tech request.

[FlightDetent]

Originally Posted by Uplinker

Thanks tdracer

Interestingly, I cannot find the speed graphs for the GPWS functions in the FCOM any more. Probably me being dim.

You'll find them upthread, removed from the current FCOM version.

[Uplinker]

Thanks all. Sorry to go over old ground. I couldn't face searching 62 pages!

The gear arrow and ECAM warning should have operated though? But by then the crew were probably overwhelmed. How on Earth did they get into such a state?

From my copy of Airbus A320 FCOM: L/G lever:
.......(2)
RED ARROW
This red arrow lights up if the landing gear is not locked down when the aircraft is in the landing configuration, and a red warning appears on ECAM.

[tubby linton]

Originally Posted by Uplinker

RED ARROW
This red arrow lights up if the landing gear is not locked down when the aircraft is in the landing configuration, and a red warning appears on ECAM.

At the speed they allegedly touched down(210kt) they would not have been in the landing configuration.

[Euclideanplane]

Originally Posted by Uplinker

This red arrow lights up if the landing gear is not locked down when the aircraft is in the landing configuration, and a red warning appears on ECAM.

In landing config it ought to look and sound much like in this test (if the timestamp does not work, jump to about 7 minutes in):

You Tube

[vilas]

Landing gear not down and landing gear not down locked are different ECAM messages. Landing gear not down with red arrow can come below 750ft
1. When Flap3 is selected with gear lever up.
2. With gear lever down and sensor failure. It is spurious.
Landing gear not down locked is triggered when both LGCIUs detect the gear is not down locked.

[vilas]

Interesting information from Airbus Safety First

[MATELO]

Originally Posted by mayam13

The passenger would not now the gear was not down, no emergency was declared by pilot to Tower or to passengers

As SLF I would. I listen for the distinct noise whirr and then the wind rush past the gear.

[Nightstop]

More reliable for SLF is: the Emergency Exit signage illuminates when the Gear is downlocked and extinguishes when it is upLocked.

[fox niner]

There will be a presentation of the preliminary report tomorrow. I believe at the Pakistani parliament.
we will know a lot more tomorrow. Just hang on for a few more hours....

[CodyBlade]

I am not expecting too much info.

Its going to be one of those 'cultural' things

[vilas]

Preliminary report suggests pilot error for not following SOP, overconfidence and being very high and fast and landing despite ATC caution. pilot landed without gear and decided to execute a go around. ATC also strangely blamed for approach trainee Controller not handing over to tower and despite noticing the belly landing and sparks did not prevent pilot from going round. It's from the Pakistani media and very vague.

[Teddy Robinson]

Wait for the report

https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/p...tan-parliament

[Euclideanplane]

Originally Posted by vilas

approach trainee Controller despite noticing the belly landing and sparks did not prevent pilot from going round.

How to accomplish that must surely be standard training item for every ATC /sarc
EDIT: "going round" though possibly in the sense of returning to have another go at 25L, as opposed to a teardrop. That makes more sense.

[Herod]

Perhaps by the time he got a call out, it would have been too late, and he probably (certainly?) didn't realise the damage that was done.

[alainthailande]

Not posted yet?
Source : https://historyofpia.com/forums/view...199407#p199407

[Maninthebar]

Originally Posted by Euclideanplane

How to accomplish that must surely be standard training item for every ATC /sarc
EDIT: "going round" though possibly in the sense of returning to have another go at 25L, as opposed to a teardrop. That makes more sense.

Bit harsh - plenty of discussion above on whether it would have been better NOT to have lifted off. If the Go Around INSTRUCTION were to be issued it would need to be earlier

[jumpseater]

If that PIA link is true it’s a very sobering thought that two aircraft subsequently used the runway prior to a FOD check!

[andrasz]

The images of the aircraft scraping the ground look very much like some photoshop job, were they genuine I would have expected them to surface weeks ago. Same goes for any unsourced statements on that forum.