14 day quarantine

[Nightstop]

I wouldn’t and my medical renewal has never appeared on my roster during the last 45 years, always done in own time.

Waiting today for Breaking News as to the UK Govt’s modification to the 14 day quarantine period...

[homonculus]

So if you have arrived as part of the crew of the aircraft you can go for your medical. If you have arrived as a passenger to have your medical you need to quarantine first. The medical is irrelevant, it is your role on the incoming flight that determines quarantine. There is however an exception if you are arriving for medical treatment so if you have a medical problem that needs correcting for your medical to be issued you dont need to quarantine, although you wont be able to be an in patient in a UK hospital without 14 days isolation.

[PilotLZ]

So, looks like the new policy will be a "traffic light" system, with each country being assigned a colour code which will be reviewed regularly. Green - safer than the UK, amber - less safe than the UK, red - self-isolation required upon arrival. Nothing is mentioned in the way of visits to countries preceding the one from which the entry into the UK is made. For example, if you are coming from a green country but 3 days ago you visited a red one, that doesn't seem to make any difference. Which will likely give the upper leg in terms of connecting flights to the UK to the green countries.

[42...]

The future is stupid my friends.

[guy_incognito]

PilotLZ

Which is why I'd expect a judicial review to succeed on the grounds of irrationality.

[mac57]

Hi again, and thanks for all the replies. I did some more digging and found a copy of 'Border Measures Q&A - Aviation Sector' issued on 5th June. I'm afraid as I have less than 10 posts on PPRUNE I can't share the url, but I found it on the BBGA website.

On page 12 under the section headed 'Will the below crew scenarios be exempt, or will they have to go into 14-day quarantine, one of the scenarios is:
d) Crew flying into England commercially to carry out simulator training at a UK approved centre?

The answer, which was a surprise, was Yes. "Crew who travel to England for the purposes of attending training in England are considered to be travelling in the course of their work and therefore they are exempt."

So according to that rationale, it would appear that travelling to England to renew a medical would also be considered 'in the course of their work', on the basis that a medical renewal is just as necessary (and unavailable locally) as sim training.

I'm assuming it's all change from Monday anyway but unfortunately I'm arriving on Sunday. Thanks again everyone for your thoughts and ideas.

[crewmeal]

Nothing is mentioned in the way of visits to countries preceding the one from which the entry into the UK is made. For example, if you are coming from a green country but 3 days ago you visited a red one, that doesn't seem to make any difference. Which will likely give the upper leg in terms of connecting flights to the UK to the green countries.

A friend of mine is travelling from Cairo to Paris today and then on to London. Considering Egypt is a red light zone, France is green the whole system seems absurd!! Additionlly Egyptair restart their LHR schedule today, so on arrival at Terminal 2, what happens when passengers mix with flights from green light zones at immigration? Am I missing something here?

[FlyingFrl]

Originally Posted by wiggy

AFAIK, to paraphrase the rule set we have been given:

Crew member, Base in UK: rostered positioning back to UK at end of block of work you are exempt from self isolation.

Crew member, Base in UK: commuting/travelling back into UK as passenger (including return from overseas holiday for UK resident crew) - you need to self isolate, though you can break this quarantine to travel to work directly to perform company rostered duties only such as sims, operate a flight/trip........

Thanks for your reply, is there any documentation of the last part? "you need to self isolate, though you can break this quarantine to travel to work directly to perform company rostered duties only such as sims, operate a flight/trip"

Cheers

[Webby737]

There's info on the government website here https://www.gov.uk/government/public...k-border-rules
It's a bit vague (nothing new there!) but it states:

"People who live in the UK but work in another country and travel between the UK and country of work at least once a weekYou’ll need to complete the Public Health passenger locator form before you travel to the UK.You will not need to self-isolate for 14 days if you are staying in England, Wales or Northern Ireland. You’ll need to self-isolate for 14 days if you are staying in Scotland.You’ll need to show evidence that you reside in one country but work in the other and you should also be able to demonstrate that you travel between the two on a minimum of a weekly basis, for example, a season ticket."
This would cover those who are commuting and arriving back in the UK as a passenger.

And then for foreign flight & cabin crew
"Pilots and crew, as defined in paragraph 1 of Schedule 1 to the Air Navigation Order 2016(h), where such crew have travelled to the UK in the course of their work You’ll need to complete the Public Health passenger locator form before you travel to the UK. You will not need to self-isolate for 14 days.
You should show a crew badge or ID."

I'd looked at this yesterday as I was trying to see if an engineer had travelled to Europe as part of their duties if they had to self-isolate for 14 days upon their return to the UK.
I still haven't found a definite answer !

[Del Prado]

Maybe not definitive but surely this would apply on a reciprocal basis?“Specialist aerospace engineers, or specialist workers responsible for ensuring the safe operation of aircraft.You’ll need to complete the Public Health passenger locator form before you travel to the UK. You will not need to self-isolate for 14 days.

You’ll need to show a letter from your company at the border which includes:

• your personal details, such as name and address
• contact details for your employer
• what work you’ll be doing

If your employer issued you with photo identification, you should bring this with you to the UK.”

[PilotLZ]

This is getting mental. The news about which countries are likely to be exempt from quarantine changes every couple of hours. In the past day, I have seen a good 5 versions of the story, with anything between 5 and 90 countries on the list, with start date which could be the 6th of July but could also be the 10th of July etc. How can people feel confident booking anything and how can airlines and tour operators feel confident about their products with this level of uncertainty?

[Flying Clog]

Or just don't pay a blind bit of notice to the 14 day self-isolation in the UK. No one else is, and it's unenforceable.

[FullWings]

List just published:

covid 19 travel corridors (gov.uk)

[SOPS]

Why are the British making it so hard.? You are an island. Do what we have done in Australia. Close the borders. No one can leave.. full stop. Well if your not Australian you can. Anyone that arrives from anywhere .. and you basically have to be an Australian citizen to do that.. goes into quarantine for 14 days.. in a hotel. Except for the Victoria it’s worked really well .. out total deaths are around 106. It’s not hard when you are an island.

[Flying Hi]

Its not hard here. Simples. At​ the end of the day it's all about the money. Lives are collateral damage to this Gov..
To paraphrase the current slogans "No Lives Matter" just "show me the money."
BoJo cannot multi task and is fixated, despite rhetoric to any kind of contrary to driving Brexit negotiations to a No Deal - the plan all along - and so cannot apply coherent thought to any other issue.
So glad my son & family moved to Sydney in 2014.

[Yeehaw22]

So what are we supposed to do lock ourselves away indefinitly? Cut ourselves off from the world until the virus has gone? Get real and see both sides of the balance. If we locked down for ever there'd be nothing left worth surviving the pandemic for.

[PilotLZ]

Apart from Miss Rona, there are many other diseases around the world - and every now and again one or a couple of them raise their ugly head. In the last few weeks, there has been an outbreak of Ebola, an outbreak of Nipa, an outbreak of Dengue and an outbreak of plague in different countries across Africa and Asia. So, shall we just seal everything off until there are zero cases of any infectious disease? That's simply impossible.

So, instead, it boils down to risk assessment and targeted protective measures. Risk in country A? Acceptable. Allow free travel. Risk in country B? Unacceptable. Restrict travel. That's the one and only way of making it through this with minimal damage - and perhaps one of the wisest decisions the UK government have taken since the beginning of the pandemic.

[TerryCherry]

Quarantine is nonsense. Just a political tick box. There will be zero enforcement.

[Flying Hi]

Originally Posted by Yeehaw22

So what are we supposed to do lock ourselves away indefinitly? Cut ourselves off from the world until the virus has gone? Get real and see both sides of the balance. If we locked down for ever there'd be nothing left worth surviving the pandemic for.

Q1 - answer - if we have to..
Q2 - answer - if we have to.
Balancing human life vs money and profit? There's an ugly thought..

[Jet II]

But making everyone poorer through less economic activity also kills people - it's not a straight decision between saving lives or economic activity. People die in both cases.