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“I suppose a month off in June/July could be worse..” Unfortunately for a lot of pilots this means being off for the rest of their careers. And utter destitution for those relying on tourism In many overseas destinations.
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[QUOTE=Douglas Bahada;10776836]Deaths still keep on occurring. Hospitals still mainly empty, Non Covids dropping like flies for lack of treatment. Apparently the UK is one of the only countries not screening new arrivals. Yet we are on a downward trend.
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18% of the UK population are over the age of 65. They are at most risk and account for 80% of deaths. So we shut down our society. Furlough our taxpayers and bankrupt our future to provide protection to people who are in no position to contribute financially to society.
The lunatics are running the asylum.
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I feel your comments are not applicable to many members of this forum. I'm a retired 73 year old pilot with thirty five years in the industry. I have a company pension and paid over £17,000 in direct tax last year. In addition there's a considerable amount of indirect taxation. I am not alone by any means.
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18% of the UK population are over the age of 65. They are at most risk and account for 80% of deaths. So we shut down our society. Furlough our taxpayers and bankrupt our future to provide protection to people who are in no position to contribute financially to society.
The lunatics are running the asylum.
End of quote
I feel your comments are not applicable to many members of this forum. I'm a retired 73 year old pilot with thirty five years in the industry. I have a company pension and paid over £17,000 in direct tax last year. In addition there's a considerable amount of indirect taxation. I am not alone by any means.
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[QUOTE=MaximumPete;10793937]
And you could also say:
Those who we are seeking to protect are all those who have already spent 4 or more decades of their lives building the world in which we live, paying taxes, raising families, in fact raising us. To describe this as the young sacrificing for the old is a descent into barbarism
Deaths still keep on occurring. Hospitals still mainly empty, Non Covids dropping like flies for lack of treatment. Apparently the UK is one of the only countries not screening new arrivals. Yet we are on a downward trend.
Quote from Douglas Bahada:-
18% of the UK population are over the age of 65. They are at most risk and account for 80% of deaths. So we shut down our society. Furlough our taxpayers and bankrupt our future to provide protection to people who are in no position to contribute financially to society.
The lunatics are running the asylum.
End of quote
I feel your comments are not applicable to many members of this forum. I'm a retired 73 year old pilot with thirty five years in the industry. I have a company pension and paid over £17,000 in direct tax last year. In addition there's a considerable amount of indirect taxation. I am not alone by any means.
MP
Quote from Douglas Bahada:-
18% of the UK population are over the age of 65. They are at most risk and account for 80% of deaths. So we shut down our society. Furlough our taxpayers and bankrupt our future to provide protection to people who are in no position to contribute financially to society.
The lunatics are running the asylum.
End of quote
I feel your comments are not applicable to many members of this forum. I'm a retired 73 year old pilot with thirty five years in the industry. I have a company pension and paid over £17,000 in direct tax last year. In addition there's a considerable amount of indirect taxation. I am not alone by any means.
MP
Those who we are seeking to protect are all those who have already spent 4 or more decades of their lives building the world in which we live, paying taxes, raising families, in fact raising us. To describe this as the young sacrificing for the old is a descent into barbarism
Maximum pete
What relevance does 17 grand direct tax have to the discussion besides being lucky enough to have an obscene pension no doubt inflation proofed?
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What on earth has quarantine to do with over or under 65 argument? There is a good case that it should have been done in February or early March. But trashing the airline and tourism industries now makes no sense. And closing off the U.K. to all wishing to do business with us from overseas. The decision is supposedly guided by science. But elsewhere countries are opening up. Is science different abroad?
What on earth has quarantine to do with over or under 65 argument? There is a good case that it should have been done in February or early March. But trashing the airline and tourism industries now makes no sense. And closing off the U.K. to all wishing to do business with us from overseas. The decision is supposedly guided by science. But elsewhere countries are opening up. Is science different abroad?
Have countries abroad been putting Covid-19 on their death certificates when it was clear there were comorbidities involved and Covid-19 couldn’t have been the causal factor in deaths? Hell in the U.K. they’ve even been allowing nurses to diagnose the cause of death and subsequently to fill in death certificates FFS! The statistics in the U.K. are absolutely meaningless and corrupted beyond belief because of this.
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At this stage, damage is greatly increased by the fact that there are no criteria as to when the quarantine may be lifted. When domestic cases reach X per 100,000 population? When cases in the country of departure reach X per 100,000 population? When the WHO declares the end of the pandemic? When the cows come home? This uncertainty is smashing up whatever's left of all travel businesses as travellers are stripped off the ability to plan anything at all. As it stands now, travel without quarantine may become possible as early as July or as late as Q4 of 2020. Or maybe even 2021, although chances of that are few. Who in their right mind will book a flight with this degree of uncertainty, especially considering that refunds from all previous rounds of cancellations haven't been processed yet?
And a voting public whose real concern is when they are opening and their 'freedom' to walk about willy nilly and infect whoever they like.
The Gov meanwhile will then wait until Cummins tells the PM what he is to do next.
Doesn’t change the fact that the statistics showing deaths have been reporting Covid-19 effectively as the sole cause of death when there have been multiple comorbidities. That’s bordering on the fraudulent.
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“ The death rate is lower abroad...” er, yes, HiFly Exactly. So what possible logic is there in imposing quarantine on people arriving from places where the incidence of infections is much much lower than U.K.?
It is not the sole cause of death. Covid 19 rarely is. However it is the reason that tips the balance if one is weak in anyway. People that would be living with whatever they have had are dying. Because Covid 19 is the primary reason why they died with their underlying conditions. People I know have died whom would have lived for another 20 years without catching this super cold. Mates of mine that were under 70. Died because they had to go to the shops and face the idiots walking about Britains streets, young and old. Our death rates are huge compared to the rest of Europe at the minute. And we had advanced warning to avoid it. Alas the lunatics are running the country.
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It's pure political logic. On that other end, where infection figures are far lower than in the UK, arrivals from the UK will likely be subject to quarantine. So, the UK is taking a reciprocal approach, as is the common practice in international diplomacy. Although in many cases, including this one, imposing unpopular measures purely on the principle of reciprocity is like getting shot in the leg and shooting yourself in the other one right after, said measures will likely remain in force until other countries demonstrate readiness to admit arrivals from the UK without quarantine. Which, in turn, is subject to taming the plague within the UK.
Not covid
A friend lost his son and battled the coroner over the declaration that his son died from covid, as without an autopsy it was a false declaration. Eventually he was authorised at his own considerable expense to have the body transported to a facility that determined the cause of death to be not covid.
The son had had an earlier serious health problem but was advised by 111 to isolate at home whereas he should have gone to A&E which might have saved his life.
It would seem that it is an easy cop out to write covid on the death certificate as it saves the hassle of an investigation into a sudden death from unknown causes.
My point is that we do not have the full information as to the actual Covid deaths or those which have been caused by the procedures put in place because of the epidemic. All we have in the end are the total death toll in comparison with previous years.
The son had had an earlier serious health problem but was advised by 111 to isolate at home whereas he should have gone to A&E which might have saved his life.
It would seem that it is an easy cop out to write covid on the death certificate as it saves the hassle of an investigation into a sudden death from unknown causes.
My point is that we do not have the full information as to the actual Covid deaths or those which have been caused by the procedures put in place because of the epidemic. All we have in the end are the total death toll in comparison with previous years.
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Hell in the U.K. they’ve even been allowing nurses to diagnose the cause of death and subsequently to fill in death certificates FFS! The statistics in the U.K. are absolutely meaningless and corrupted beyond belief because of this.
Every country's statistics will have errors. The only true number is corrected excess deaths. But the relative true numbers are irrelevant to quarantine. Quarantine is purely about preventing new cases coming into the UK. So the only safe countries we could exempt are....New Zealand! but you cant get to LHR non stop..... The politicians may decide they want to allow a certain number of cases in balanced against economic loss but medically quarantine is justified especially in light of the current fiasco over SERCO
We also know that SAGE considered travel restrictions by 3 February. Had they acted, again as New Zealand did, tens of thousands of UK citizens might still be alive and we may well have been returning to normal and discussing opening not closing our borders and getting airlines back in business.
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Spain has a higher death rate per head of population, you know the country that’s opening its borders right now? We’re also broadly in line with Italy. (And that’s even using the official government figures, the same ones it has been shown are distorted by misreporting deaths). Please don’t make statements that aren’t in line with the actual facts, that’s one reason we’re in the mess we are right now.