14 day quarantine
MACDO : I am beginning to sound like a Macdo fan, supporting all your views but, again, you are right on the money. I ragedatt seeing a Vid of fat little NHS nurses dancing round empty wards only to be rounded on by wifey claiming the vid was fake news. Apologies to fat little NHS nurses. I am a bit more wary of propaganda. But, on thread, how will the UK police the 14 day rule of "self" quarantine ? I foresee lots of LHR arrivals smiling with complicity agreements but once outside, saluting with the Churchillian version.
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Some nations are policing it with tracking anklets. Others with phone apps and daily visits by the plod.
Others again in supervised accommodation (all expenses hotel)
Some nations are policing it with tracking anklets. Others with phone apps and daily visits by the plod.
Others again in supervised accommodation (all expenses hotel)
It's more likely to be fill in this form and then a bit of a "mind where you go"....
optics, smoke and mirrors etc.
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MACDO : I am beginning to sound like a Macdo fan, supporting all your views but, again, you are right on the money. I ragedatt seeing a Vid of fat little NHS nurses dancing round empty wards only to be rounded on by wifey claiming the vid was fake news. Apologies to fat little NHS nurses. I am a bit more wary of propaganda. But, on thread, how will the UK police the 14 day rule of "self" quarantine ? I foresee lots of LHR arrivals smiling with complicity agreements but once outside, saluting with the Churchillian version.
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As alluded to above, UK quarantine will be a farce.
Re-route your flight via Dublin or any Ireland or Northern Ireland port/airport and you're exempt from quarantine - for long haul flights ADP/taxes tend to be cheaper via DUB anyway!
Or, save the hassle, land direct in UK, whether you give a mickey mouse address or a real one, as nothing appears to stop anyone flying out again 24 hours later.
Re-route your flight via Dublin or any Ireland or Northern Ireland port/airport and you're exempt from quarantine - for long haul flights ADP/taxes tend to be cheaper via DUB anyway!
Or, save the hassle, land direct in UK, whether you give a mickey mouse address or a real one, as nothing appears to stop anyone flying out again 24 hours later.
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Fella, over here on the Rock we had 14 day quarantine brought in weeks ago tho. 2 weeks in an unoccupied hotel, fenced in, locked in room except for 1 hr, meals on a tray - and that will be £875 payable to the government, ta. Started to relax things here ahaead of the UK now and it's 2 weeks self-isolation and you can even play golf by yourself.
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As alluded to above, UK quarantine will be a farce.
Re-route your flight via Dublin or any Ireland or Northern Ireland port/airport and you're exempt from quarantine - for long haul flights ADP/taxes tend to be cheaper via DUB anyway!
Or, save the hassle, land direct in UK, whether you give a mickey mouse address or a real one, as nothing appears to stop anyone flying out again 24 hours later.
Re-route your flight via Dublin or any Ireland or Northern Ireland port/airport and you're exempt from quarantine - for long haul flights ADP/taxes tend to be cheaper via DUB anyway!
Or, save the hassle, land direct in UK, whether you give a mickey mouse address or a real one, as nothing appears to stop anyone flying out again 24 hours later.
Many laws can be worked around, thats not the point. Its a strong government recommendation, a requirement. Sure folks can obviate it, but then we’re back to the middle ages, aren’t we a civilised trustworthy society?
My grip against the current situation, is that pilots are in their own tunnel, and are unwilling to think outside this. For example, a local authority in the uk received 4million quid to fight covid from the gov. Thats for a city with 200,000 inhabitants . Yet Virgin wants half a billion quid so it can fly a few fat cat business men to the states, and deliver a few bucket and spade holidays to those who can afford it.
Is flying that important? Has it now become irrelevant?
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As alluded to above, UK quarantine will be a farce.
Re-route your flight via Dublin or any Ireland or Northern Ireland port/airport and you're exempt from quarantine - for long haul flights ADP/taxes tend to be cheaper via DUB anyway!
Or, save the hassle, land direct in UK, whether you give a mickey mouse address or a real one, as nothing appears to stop anyone flying out again 24 hours later.
Re-route your flight via Dublin or any Ireland or Northern Ireland port/airport and you're exempt from quarantine - for long haul flights ADP/taxes tend to be cheaper via DUB anyway!
Or, save the hassle, land direct in UK, whether you give a mickey mouse address or a real one, as nothing appears to stop anyone flying out again 24 hours later.
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My grip against the current situation, is that pilots are in their own tunnel, and are unwilling to think outside this. For example, my local authority received 4million quid to fight covid. Thats for a city with 200,000 inhabitants . Yet Virgin wants half a billion quid so it can fly a few fat cat business men to the states, and deliver a few bucket and spade holidays to those who can afford it.
Is flying that important? Has it now become irrelevant?
Is flying that important? Has it now become irrelevant?
So whats your point, ask all passengers to behave unethically and be irresponsible ?
Many laws can be worked around, thats not the point. Its a strong government recommendation, a requirement. Sure folks can obviate it, but then we’re back to the middle ages, aren’t we a civilised trustworthy society?
Many laws can be worked around, thats not the point. Its a strong government recommendation, a requirement. Sure folks can obviate it, but then we’re back to the middle ages, aren’t we a civilised trustworthy society?
Unfortunately the Government have lost the initiative (if they ever had it) and are being held in contempt by people that were until recently doing pretty much as they were told. Control of the situation has been lost and the sooner we accept that and try and mitigate it, the better. A 14 day quarantine for incoming travellers really is the metaphorical re-arranging of the deckchairs.
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In todays Telegraph Doctors in New York hospitals are saying that the lockdown must be lifted there immediately due to the negative effects it is already having on the population.
Peter Singer, a bioethics professor at Princeton, said officials need to think about the consequences other than in terms of deaths. “I think the consequences are horrific, in terms of unemployment in particular, which has been shown to have a very serious effect on well-being, and particularly for poorer people.
“Yes, people will die if we open up, but the consequences of not opening up are so severe that maybe we’ve got to do it anyway.” he told the New York Times.
Who knows if a bioethics professor is qualified to discuss the economy, what will happen with the economy and whether the situation with the New York economy is the same as the UK? You only have to look at the markets, which seem to suggest the problem is sorted, to realise the risk in listening to anyone
We should never have got where we are - closing the borders and track and trace in January would have possibly prevented the need for lockdown in the UK, and the phytogenetics suggest it would also have prevented the New York pandemic....but from where we are now we cant release lockdown until new cases are at a level we can track and trace. Of the nine major countries that are releasing lockdown, 4 had new cases in single figures and the others were at a few hundred a day. The UK is at around 4000 positive new tests a day so the true new infection rate is well above anything we can control. To save the economy, and therefore to save aviation in the long term, we need to close the borders and keep lockdown now. My catchphrase would be 'short and sharp'
What will actually happen will I suspect be quite different....
We should never have got where we are - closing the borders and track and trace in January would have possibly prevented the need for lockdown in the UK, and the phytogenetics suggest it would also have prevented the New York pandemic....but from where we are now we cant release lockdown until new cases are at a level we can track and trace. Of the nine major countries that are releasing lockdown, 4 had new cases in single figures and the others were at a few hundred a day. The UK is at around 4000 positive new tests a day so the true new infection rate is well above anything we can control. To save the economy, and therefore to save aviation in the long term, we need to close the borders and keep lockdown now. My catchphrase would be 'short and sharp'
What will actually happen will I suspect be quite different....
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I can just imagine the outrage on this forum had they shut aviation down in January.
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Surely that is just operating with hindsight - the WTO didn't declare it a pandemic until the middle of March so to claim that the Government should have closed the UK Borders in January is not very practical.
I can just imagine the outrage on this forum had they shut aviation down in January.
I can just imagine the outrage on this forum had they shut aviation down in January.
WHO " declared a Public Health Emergency of International Concern on 30 January 2020." Not a pandemic, but a pretty stern warning.
I'd have thought that, having spent the past five years talking about and planning to take back control of our borders, all this quarantine mullarkey should be a walk in the park for us to organise?
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Be glad it's as simple as country borders. In the US, you have to worry about state borders (and different lockdown procedures) as well as individual corporate policies. A relative who works for the gov't was told they are mission essential and needs to travel across the country. Problem - once they get there they need to self-quarantine for 14 days before they report to work at the target organization. Totally absurd.
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On Friday, in the supposedly civilised town that I live in, I walked past several street barbecues, all clearly mixing multiple households. So no, I don't think we very trustworthy, sadly. People have clearly had enough, no longer trust the incompetents that they overwhelmingly elected because Boris is a bit of a laugh and have decided to take policy into their own hands. The irony being that they were celebrating VE Day by putting at risk the very people that managed to survive WW2.
But it didn't start this weekend, far too many of us have been working-around or totally ignoring the lockdown since the beginning. I am in the shielding group (and no, for the benefit of other posters above, it's not because I only have months to live, with the pills I can expect decades, in fact normal life expectancy, with covid, probably worse odds than russian roulette) so I am not walking the streets, but I don't have to, just watching the neighbours from my windows, almost all of them have been having extended family or friends round to visit, but I've mostly given up ranting about it. Sad thing is they are all supposedly intelligent folk, it is likely none of them voted for Boris as this area is solidly middle-class liberal/labour voting and remainer.
It is just lack of social responsibility, the WWII veterans were asked to endure terrible things and risk (or lay down) their lives to save others, we're being asked to sit on our f**ing sofas to save others, and "wah wah it's too hard". Weird thing is, I think it's catching, because if we get through this and when boot is on the other foot and the covidiots want some social responsibility from me, I am now resolved to get every clarification, look for every loophole, invoke my human rights to do what I damned well want, and mutter loudly about karma while I'm at it.
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But it appears that it is not just the elderly who are dying. Members of th BAME population are up to 90% more likely to die than white people. In our modern world it is probably acceptable to let a few old people pass away - but what about all of those BAME people. There would be a public outcry!
Anyone who engages brain (and maybe does a bit of reading) can see that there are obvious reasons for the link (and no, it's not poverty - BAME doctors, consultants, are over represented too, hardly in the lower socio-economic groups).
Odd that no one is calling for a public inquiry into why men are twice as likely to die as women though isn't it?
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-tatters.html
I'm sure there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth because of where it was published, but the author of this article is someone who knows what he's talking about. The lamentable, weak non-decision making by government is leading us towards a situation which may not be recoverable if it continues for much longer.
I'm sure there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth because of where it was published, but the author of this article is someone who knows what he's talking about. The lamentable, weak non-decision making by government is leading us towards a situation which may not be recoverable if it continues for much longer.