KLM resumes daily flights from Amsterdam to Madrid,Barcelona and Rome.

[jvr]

At the end of this week a flight a day will be made.
Passengers will have to bring and wear a mask.
good news!

[atakacs]

It's a start ! Wonder if they will fly full capacity

[ATC Watcher]

Originally Posted by atakacs

It's a start ! Wonder if they will fly full capacity

the first flights , probably yes some people need to move back , families, unaffected businesses, etc,, but with restaurants closed in all 3 cities, not to mention most public places like Museums , cinemas, bars, .the demand bit will dry up soon ... eating a sandwich bought in the local supermarket in your hotel room is not that attractive after a couple of days ..

[dirk85]

Having just received a monstrous bail out together with AF I guess making a profit or not is irrelevant. Like Alitalia, that never stopped flying, even in April, with many flights with only 3/4 passengers.

[the_stranger]

Originally Posted by dirk85

Having just received a monstrous bail out together with AF I guess making a profit or not is irrelevant. Like Alitalia, that never stopped flying, even in April, with many flights with only 3/4 passengers.

Klm still has not gotten anything, the government said they were willing to guarantee a loan, but specifics are still being discussies.
And it is a loan (from both government and banks) , not a gift or bailout. And that loan has to be paid back.

So yeah, profit is relevant, very relevant.

[Cat Techie]

Nobody is going to fly unless they have to, or got over catching the virus and know it is not going to touch them.

[FreemaninHK]

I am.

My friends are. Many are now planning next holidays. There is very little ‘fear’ in my cohort; mostly frustration at why 99.9% of us need to suffer social and economically for the welfare of the weakest 1%

[inOban]

There was a flight to Edinburgh today. Not sure when the next one is.

[Pistonprop]

FreemaninHK, I find your post highly offensive!

[atakacs]

Originally Posted by ATC Watcher

the first flights , probably yes some people need to move back , families, unaffected businesses, etc,, but with restaurants closed in all 3 cities, not to mention most public places like Museums , cinemas, bars, .the demand bit will dry up soon ... eating a sandwich bought in the local supermarket in your hotel room is not that attractive after a couple of days ..

Ok, I meant: will they offer all seats of the aircraft for sale or lockdown 1 row in each aisle?

[Cat Techie]

Originally Posted by FreemaninHK

I am.

My friends are. Many are now planning next holidays. There is very little ‘fear’ in my cohort; mostly frustration at why 99.9% of us need to suffer social and economically for the welfare of the weakest 1%

You had the virus then? I wager not. Your cohort need to know someone that has died from this. It is not 1% that suffer, it is a lot higher. You have not had the virus and you sound like a complete Richard Cranium. Stuff your holiday.

[Sallyann1234]

Originally Posted by Pistonprop

FreemaninHK, I find your post highly offensive!

And mathematically incorrect.

[Johnny F@rt Pants]

There is very little ‘fear’ in my cohort; mostly frustration at why 99.9% of us need to suffer social and economically for the welfare of the weakest 1%

What a nice attitude.

[nomorecatering]

I agree 100% with FreemaninHK. We have sacrificed 99% to save 1%. It's not palatable for some, but that is the reality. Please feel free to be offended.....i care not.

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by nomorecatering

I agree 100% with FreemaninHK. We have sacrificed 99% to save 1%. It's not palatable for some, but that is the reality. Please feel free to be offended.....i care not.

If you really think that, in the absence of mitigation measures, only 1% of the population would suffer from the effects of coronoavirus, then I'm afraid you simply haven't been paying attention.

[Cat Techie]

Originally Posted by nomorecatering

I agree 100% with FreemaninHK. We have sacrificed 99% to save 1%. It's not palatable for some, but that is the reality. Please feel free to be offended.....i care not.

You haven't had the virus either then. Hopefully you will catch it. From my friends that have had to treat it, they say don't get it. It is a horrible way to die. You have any weakness in your biology, it will find you out. Reality, you views count for very little.

[ZFT]

Originally Posted by nomorecatering

I agree 100% with FreemaninHK. We have sacrificed 99% to save 1%. It's not palatable for some, but that is the reality. Please feel free to be offended.....i care not.

As one of the 1% (due combination of age and not an ideal immune system due chemo), I can appreciate this attitude.

I reside in an environment where there are now around 8M who have lost their means of support due to the situation and with little if any safety net they too find their sacrifice too much.

Personally I am very uneasy over some of the long term implications or the measures being taken. Traceing apps and the like scare the crap out of me yet the world seems to be meekly accepting this. Once here, these apps will be used by governments for other purposes post Covid-19

So is the medicine worse than the illness? Time will tell but FreemaninHK and other have the right to voice their disapproval surely?

[LGW Vulture]

Originally Posted by DaveReidUK

If you really think that, in the absence of mitigation measures, only 1% of the population would suffer from the effects of coronoavirus, then I'm afraid you simply haven't been paying attention.

Sometime soon, some 99% are probably more likely to be affected by the coronavirus if the status quo continues. Thanks in the main, to those very mitigation measures.

However, back to the subject matter. I'm glad some carriers are starting to put their toe back in the water.

[FlightlessParrot]

Originally Posted by nomorecatering

I agree 100% with FreemaninHK. We have sacrificed 99% to save 1%. It's not palatable for some, but that is the reality. Please feel free to be offended.....i care not.

It might be 1% with mitigation measures, but it's more without, and if you just let the thing take its course, many more than 1% will end up in hospital (sometimes quite worthwhile people in the prime of life), often in intensive care, taking up beds which are not then available for the normal cases. And it's not just us old and expendables that it gets: why, even the PM of the UK (whom one would have thought to be pretty impervious to COVID-19, as to most things) ended up in intensive care. And if the virus is running unchecked, rather a lot of people are going to be cancelling holiday plans whatever governments say. Certainly it is necessary to balance public health against economic factors, but letting the virus rip to help solve the superannuation problem also has financial costs.

[FlightlessParrot]

Originally Posted by ZFT

So is the medicine worse than the illness? Time will tell but FreemaninHK and other have the right to voice their disapproval surely?

Of course everyone has a right to question the balance of measures adopted in specific countries. But when that opinion is factually (and arithmetically) mistaken, and expresses contempt and disregard for the more vulnerable, people have a right to express their abhorrence.