KLM resumes daily flights from Amsterdam to Madrid,Barcelona and Rome.
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klm was flying a minimal schedule consisting of about 85 intercontinental flights per week, and about 20 european flights per day. The euro flights are now being expanded.
Check out this list of automatically updated operating flights:
https://jdenuijl.com/flights/index.p...ate=2020-05-05
klm was flying a minimal schedule consisting of about 85 intercontinental flights per week, and about 20 european flights per day. The euro flights are now being expanded.
Check out this list of automatically updated operating flights:
https://jdenuijl.com/flights/index.p...ate=2020-05-05
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People really do seem to want to stick their fingers in their ears and not face the inconvenient truth, which is that the world economy has been destroyed to protect against a threat that causes at worst a mild illness in the vast majority of people. Most of us will get it at some point because strict control measures cannot be imposed indefinitely without a total breakdown of society. There is no scientific consensus that either effective treatment or an effective vaccine will be found. It is something that we are going to have to learn to live with, and we will have to accept that some of us will die from it. In the meantime, the direct and indirect impact of the lockdown measures imposed will be felt for generations to come.
People really do seem to want to stick their fingers in their ears and not face the inconvenient truth, which is that the world economy has been destroyed to protect against a threat that causes at worst a mild illness in the vast majority of people. Most of us will get it at some point because strict control measures cannot be imposed indefinitely without a total breakdown of society. There is no scientific consensus that either effective treatment or an effective vaccine will be found. It is something that we are going to have to learn to live with, and we will have to accept that some of us will die from it. In the meantime, the direct and indirect impact of the lockdown measures imposed will be felt for generations to come.
If you feel you're not at risk, please go out there and do your utmost to get it, I hope it's a life threatening event for you.
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The ones who are sticking their fingers in their ears are the likes of you! It isn't just those over 60 who are more susceptible, there is more than enough literature out there pointing this out. From babies to the elderly, I guess these idiots also do not have relatives who would be affected? I work with three pilots who need to be careful and two of them have grandchildren who need to be very careful.
If you feel you're not at risk, please go out there and do your utmost to get it, I hope it's a life threatening event for you.
If you feel you're not at risk, please go out there and do your utmost to get it, I hope it's a life threatening event for you.
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Good grief, the imbalance is astonishing . KLM, where ? Why ? Heard of Social distancing ? How you gonna do that in the check-in area, after check- in area . pre- boarding area, on board area ? Crew ? Capt & F/o to be fully kitted or at least 2 metres apart, or is it one metre...at all times ? Cain crew in the galley. really ? My Daily read, yesterday, showed BA flight full of punters, three in a row. Cabin crew in masks & gloves but bumping into each-other. Blimey. I do , almost, give up. And where, why. Are we still not in global lock-down ? Flights banned ? Easing up I know, but, look, here's the thing. The flu virus in the N Hemisphere is over and that particular virus hates warm weather. That's why the infection curves a flattening out. Watch out Southern hemisphere because what is quite normal will be described by the WHO as "The second wave " !
Nasty little EXFOXCX, death wish ? You sound a lovely little fella . How many folk do you know have died of the Virus. I mean Covid 19 ? Name one please . I mean,listen up Foxy, I mean, OF THE COVID 19 and NOT.............."related, underlying symptoms"...........Anyone ? NO, didn't think so. C'mon, just one. I know of no-one. People I ask the same question to know of,..........NO-ONE.....! You might have C-19 on the death Certificate but I bet there were " underlying symptoms" .
People get the flu, every year, in huge numbers. Medically challenged (other symptoms ) die. In HUGE numbers. Was it the flue or underlying conditions that could not resist the flu. Think about it.
Foxy. Cheer up. I am in the Age over 70 threatened group. I survived Pneumonia shortly after birth which has left me prone to flu, Bronchial problems, couple of near-death pneumonias etc , but still here. Didn't get CV-19. But I think this winter, I will, again, get the flu because no-one Social Distances with that silly little virus . To put a smile on that little Ozzzzzzzzzy face, this time, I might die too .
Nasty little EXFOXCX, death wish ? You sound a lovely little fella . How many folk do you know have died of the Virus. I mean Covid 19 ? Name one please . I mean,listen up Foxy, I mean, OF THE COVID 19 and NOT.............."related, underlying symptoms"...........Anyone ? NO, didn't think so. C'mon, just one. I know of no-one. People I ask the same question to know of,..........NO-ONE.....! You might have C-19 on the death Certificate but I bet there were " underlying symptoms" .
People get the flu, every year, in huge numbers. Medically challenged (other symptoms ) die. In HUGE numbers. Was it the flue or underlying conditions that could not resist the flu. Think about it.
Foxy. Cheer up. I am in the Age over 70 threatened group. I survived Pneumonia shortly after birth which has left me prone to flu, Bronchial problems, couple of near-death pneumonias etc , but still here. Didn't get CV-19. But I think this winter, I will, again, get the flu because no-one Social Distances with that silly little virus . To put a smile on that little Ozzzzzzzzzy face, this time, I might die too .
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Goodness me - ? death wishes and discussions on" just " losing a percentage of the population- what on earth do these comments have to do with KLM daily flights? I realise these are very difficult times for everyone and especially those losing jobs but maybe time for the moderators to get serious.
Goodness me - ? death wishes and discussions on" just " losing a percentage of the population- what on earth do these comments have to do with KLM daily flights? I realise these are very difficult times for everyone and especially those losing jobs but maybe time for the moderators to get serious.
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Gentlemen, life will never be completely free of threats. There are threats in going to mass gatherings (infection, getting crushed by the crowd, falling victim to a mass act of terrorism etc). There are threats to every other activity, including flying. And the solution is not to put all human activity on hold indefinitely and just sit there and wait until we die of something, be it a virus, a fall down the staircase or starvation. The solution is to learn to live with the threats and mitigate their consequences as far as practically possible while still having room for doing things. Just as in flying we accept the presence of threats and do our very best to mitigate them.
Nobody is claiming that the virus no longer exists. Sadly, that's not the case. But the world needs to get going sooner rather than later so as to avoid even greater losses. If you destroy the livelihoods of like 30% of the population just because their jobs rely on human contact or human movement, the resulting losses of life will be tremendous. Not in the last place because there will be nobody to support the state and put into the budget the money which could be used for healthcare or support of the unemployed.
Nobody is claiming that the virus no longer exists. Sadly, that's not the case. But the world needs to get going sooner rather than later so as to avoid even greater losses. If you destroy the livelihoods of like 30% of the population just because their jobs rely on human contact or human movement, the resulting losses of life will be tremendous. Not in the last place because there will be nobody to support the state and put into the budget the money which could be used for healthcare or support of the unemployed.
UK Covid-19 deaths as of today = 28734
The deaths to date = 0.04317%
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Sorry, and this is getting off-topic, but the real number as per Financial Times is around 50k. This is with a lockdown. Without it you'd probably be looking at half a million. Your point is?
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PilotLZ, the problem will be that the world will only keep going for a short while before another, possibly more disastrous, wave hits us and sends the economy crashing in flames regardless. Better to keep some form of control than being gung-ho about it.
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Come on mods. This thread is getting silly, and not a little acrimonious. Please either close it or move it to Jet Blast, and let the grown ups on here have sensible discussions.
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well, below is an example of how we can all end up with the virus very quickly, and I imagine the passengers spilled out unchecked ready to infect anybody they are staying with in London ?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-52539141
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-52539141
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That KLM is opening 3 routes is a positive step in the right direction. At least they are not just sitting on their proverbials waiting for more handouts of fresly printed readies from their government. But much more is needed. Now they need to come with up and widely promote some new safety measures of their own. If they are keeping the middle seat free, tell people. Are they demanding face masks, annnounce it. It is measures like that that will convince more to fly. Not being coy about what will meet you at the airport.
The flight has to be more than 90% full to make a profit times have gone, for now. It will take time and a lot more knowledge about the status of CoVid19 before that comes back. In the meantime airlines have a choice between just waiting it out or proactively doing something about it. Just complaining we can't adapt to changed times will convince very few to fly. It won't be the airlines that barely survives until normality that comes strengthened out of this compared to the competition. It will be the ones that can prove they have an adaptable business also in bad times.