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IAG: BA restructuring may cost 12,000 jobs

Old 29th Apr 2020, 16:39
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Originally Posted by TURIN View Post
Not too many weeks ago, BA told the world that they had huge financial reserves (9B Euros worth) and that companies that don't should not get a bail out from the government.

Currently a large number of BA staff are getting up to £2500/month of government money. BA are topping that up for some.
The furlough agreement entered into by many staff was on the proviso of no redundancies. BA can't have it both ways. This government subsidy was supposed to save jobs.

Len McClusky of Unite has come out swinging. We'll see how many punches strike the target.

Sackings unlawful and immoral
Massively sorry for everyone affected by this

However, the furlough scheme was never on that proviso, that's [email protected], I hope the unions succee and thrash out a great deal for staff, but they need to stick to fact.

Any redundancies will be after the furlough scheme ends, BA are just getting their ducks in a row
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 17:17
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Originally Posted by GS-Alpha View Post
Here’s my prediction.
Voluntary redundancies plus a large percentage permanent pay cut (probably 15-20%). Then a few more months down the line, “Things have got worse, we are reissuing minimum notice of compulsory redundancies”. (If the above pay cuts were temporary, they are now made permanent, plus a bit more thumbscrew turning). Repeat this process until BA have knocked terms and conditions down as far as they can get them, and then there will be compulsory redundancies. “They wouldn’t do that surely?” They just have! The negotiations a month or two ago were under the same premise of removing the threat of minimum compulsory redundancy notice. Why settle for just one turn of the thumbscrews when you can turn them multiple times?
I fear there may be some substance to this assessment. After 9/11 opportunism ruled big time in negotiations. No crisis is too big or small to be lost as an opportunity to cut costs.
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 21:09
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We’ve had the company proposal through from Balpa, utterly opportunistic smash and grab raid on Ts and Cs which has very little (read nothing) to do with Covid-19 (in much the same fashion as easyJet).

Redundancies split evenly between Captains and FOs. Won’t spill the requested figure precisely suffice to say it’s in four figures.
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 21:14
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Originally Posted by RexBanner View Post
We’ve had the company proposal through from Balpa, utterly opportunistic smash and grab raid on Ts and Cs which has very little (read nothing) to do with Covid-19 (in much the same fashion as easyJet).

Redundancies split evenly between Captains and FOs. Won’t spill the requested figure precisely suffice to say it’s in four figures.
around 1200
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 21:17
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Cast your minds back to post 9/11 and then 2008 - BA claim the end of the aviation world is nigh, take pay cuts and decimate T&Cs to 'save the company' - you know what happened thereafter. The 'best' became just another airline on 900hrs per annum, the most coveted roster system trashed, pension scheme destroyed - all in the name of 'saving the company'. The problem for management is, they have pared you to the bone (with your full and naive support) that there's little left to cut.
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 21:19
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You can all read it here: https://gofile.io/?c=LZkPqV
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 21:27
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It’s a complete land grab - using the crisis as an opportunity to tear up everything that made BA worth working for.

If they get their way, seniority is dead as is any kind of stable rostering system. The “efficiencies” I’m sure mean working long haul to EASA limits, and what on earth do absence management and grievance procedures have to do with redundancy.

At least when I worked for O’Leary he had the good grace to tell you his mission was to ^@%! you!
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 22:07
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Originally Posted by judge11 View Post
Cast your minds back to post 9/11 and then 2008 - BA claim the end of the aviation world is nigh, take pay cuts and decimate T&Cs to 'save the company' - you know what happened thereafter. The 'best' became just another airline on 900hrs per annum, the most coveted roster system trashed, pension scheme destroyed - all in the name of 'saving the company'. The problem for management is, they have pared you to the bone (with your full and naive support) that there's little left to cut.
Why don’t you crawl back in the hole you came from? 1200 pilot colleagues are staring down the hole and you’re gloating about their naivety?
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 22:11
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Originally Posted by Jwscud View Post
It’s a complete land grab - using the crisis as an opportunity to tear up everything that made BA worth working for.

If they get their way, seniority is dead as is any kind of stable rostering system. The “efficiencies” I’m sure mean working long haul to EASA limits, and what on earth do absence management and grievance procedures have to do with redundancy.!
Don't forget Scope agreement thrown in the bin too.
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 22:24
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Originally Posted by TheAirMission View Post
You can all read it here: https://gofile.io/?c=LZkPqV
The document above contains one of the most reprehensible, cynical, and amoral management strategies that I’ve ever had the misfortune to read. The list of glaringly mercenary attempts to rewrite agreements permanently is long.

One wonders how forcing a new policy on performance and absence management will save British Airways ? Even Frank Lorenzo would be raising an appreciative eyebrow at that detail.

Unfortunately that Sky News article above seems to be prescient. I’m sorry to see the pain that British Airways pilots and employees are facing. Hopefully BALPA is up to the task.

I wish you all the best, and a hearty C you next time to BA management.
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 22:35
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And remember this document contains the signature of AB. Will the last person in the room who was still labouring under the illusion that he’s one of the “good guys” please turn out the lights?
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 22:40
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And remember this document contains the signature of AB. Will the last person in the room who was still labouring under the illusion that he’s one of the “good guys” please turn out the lights?
Was logging on to say this very thing.

I'm not sure where we go from here. At this point, it seems unlikely that I'll ever see the pointy end of a jet again. Good luck to us all, in BA and across the industry.

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Old 29th Apr 2020, 22:42
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Reads like a wish list of everything BA management has been itching to do for years. Never waste a good crisis!
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 23:00
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That letter is disgusting. I hope BALPA can offer a strategy, though the bargaining position, unfortunately, is weak.
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 23:09
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The attitude of BA management is so reprehensible that I imagine virtually all of their pilots would love nothing more than to take VR and move to a better one which actually has a modicum of humanity.
Oh hang on, nobody is hiring.

This is a hard call. Do you live by your principles or put food on the table?

I have wife and 3 kids relying on me. If I worked for such a callous and cut-throat company I would rant and rave...then swallow my pride, crack on, and pay the bills.

I have many friends at BA (and also Virgin) and every single one is a top guy, great pilot and deserves so much more than management are prepared to give.

At least BA management have been openly exposed for what they are. I would love to see the unions gave a field-day with this letter, but I bet BA have already got their guns loaded and aimed.
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 23:22
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Originally Posted by RHS View Post
Why don’t you crawl back in the hole you came from? 1200 pilot colleagues are staring down the hole and you’re gloating about their naivety?
Not at all - I've got several 'been there, been made redundant' T-shirts.

Their naivety was in swallowing hook, line and sinker, BA management's sob-stories over the past almost 2 decades, sob-stories that have been proven to be completely groundless and yet they were believed leading to the erosion of what, at the time, were some of the most envied T&C's in the industry. There's a massive crunch coming but if you don't learn from past mistakes..............you know the rest.

Oh,and don't be so rude.
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 23:23
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Originally Posted by RHS View Post
Why don’t you crawl back in the hole you came from? 1200 pilot colleagues are staring down the hole and you’re gloating about their naivety?
You may not like the way his pov is expressed, but I agree with him/her. And before you start having a pop at me as well, I’m looking down the barrel too, as I’m a Nigel.....for the moment! We, as a working group( pilots) and Union (BA BALPA), have consistently ceded ground (in my 15 yrs or so in BA) to our increasingly aggressive management. By expressing this view, I’m not for one moment blaming previous CCs alone, for the position we find ourselves in. Collectively, we haven’t found the will or the way to fight back effectively enough and thus find ourselves in a pretty weak position, at a time when the mgmt are as usual, trying to hammer us down again. Since I joined BA, I believe BALPA have managed to avoid compulsory redundancies when the dips have come along. I sincerely hope, for all our sakes, that this record can be maintained. If I’m wrong factually, unreserved apologies. Good luck everyone, my BA colleagues in ALL depts, our friends in VAA, and everyone else who is affected.
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 23:32
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Question

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So what are IAG doing at Iberia and Vuelling?
Indeed, IAG seemed to have singled out BA only thus far! Why?

Are Iberia, Iberia Express, Vueling, Level, Air Europa, Aer Lingus seemingly immune from similar action?
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 23:33
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And remember this document contains the signature of AB. Will the last person in the room who was still labouring under the illusion that he’s one of the “good guys” please turn out the lights?
I used to know a AB - Hawk QFI - not the same one?
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 23:35
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I have apologised to judge privately. I was out of line, emotions are running a little high tonight as I’m sure they are for many of us.

stay safe all, and best of luck to everyone.
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