IAG: BA restructuring may cost 12,000 jobs
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Fight fire with fire and go on the offensive.
Call a strike, ground the fleet, Pilots first and if CC and others want to join let them.
The country is looking the other way at the moment and aren't able to fly, so you won't hurt the man on the street, however you will hurt management who will be making a plan to get aircraft back in the air.
If T5 is closed, then they are really going to struggle.
Call a strike, ground the fleet, Pilots first and if CC and others want to join let them.
The country is looking the other way at the moment and aren't able to fly, so you won't hurt the man on the street, however you will hurt management who will be making a plan to get aircraft back in the air.
If T5 is closed, then they are really going to struggle.
I think BA have opened the bottom drawer of problems they long wanted to fix and thrown it in
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Fight fire with fire and go on the offensive.
Call a strike, ground the fleet, Pilots first and if CC and others want to join let them.
The country is looking the other way at the moment and aren't able to fly, so you won't hurt the man on the street, however you will hurt management who will be making a plan to get aircraft back in the air.
If T5 is closed, then they are really going to struggle.
Call a strike, ground the fleet, Pilots first and if CC and others want to join let them.
The country is looking the other way at the moment and aren't able to fly, so you won't hurt the man on the street, however you will hurt management who will be making a plan to get aircraft back in the air.
If T5 is closed, then they are really going to struggle.
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There seems to be a problem on here that many do not seem to grasp the severity of the problem. It is irrelevant the callous management style exercised at the present time. BA staff must be completely aware of the situation and to many it has not come as a surprise. As for personal abusive attacks on WW, that achieves nothing. How do those on here assume that thousands of staff doing nothing can be kept on the payroll until things get better. As for the last post 'call a strike' that is nonsense and the one before calling WW a psychopath should be removed. If threaders cannot contribute sensibly then say nothing. Peoples livelihoods are at stake here!
Normal Redundancies as per current agreements could be understood by anyone in this climate as a necessity but they seem to be taking advantage of the situation to reshape the business in a take it or leave it way. A strike won't achieve much as the Public generally have little sympathy for pilots on £100k plus preventing them from getting where they need to go.
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There seems to be a problem on here that many do not seem to grasp the severity of the problem. It is irrelevant the callous management style exercised at the present time. BA staff must be completely aware of the situation and to many it has not come as a surprise. As for personal abusive attacks on WW, that achieves nothing. How do those on here assume that thousands of staff doing nothing can be kept on the payroll until things get better. As for the last post 'call a strike' that is nonsense and the one before calling WW a psychopath should be removed. If threaders cannot contribute sensibly then say nothing. Peoples livelihoods are at stake here!
He’s just put his begging bowl out for Vueling and Iberia (no redundancies so far) but, with an act of gross hypocrisy, refuses to do the same for BA because he’d rather pressure the U.K. government to fail to act and ensure Virgin go under and is willing to use 12,000 of his own staff’s livelihoods and families as collateral damage in that process. Pray tell me again why I’m wrong in my assessment of his character?
(And if you’d read further back in the thread my comments were in response to a post (not quoted) asking how management sleep at night. This was my answer. FYI You’re not the forum police and you don’t get to censor posts because you have failed to understand the meaning of a word or its context)
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BALPA has declared a MAYDAY.
The British Airline Pilots Association has issued a ‘Mayday’ distress call for the aviation industry as Ryanair becomes the latest airline to announce potential job cuts and predictions of more to come.
The announcement that 3000 jobs are on the line at Ryanair comes just days after British Airways announced it is also planning 12,000 redundancies.
The pilots’ union says enforced travel restrictions as a result of coronavirus are having a devastating impact on aviation and it is an emergency the Government can no longer ignore.
Before COVID-19 hit the UK aviation brought at least £22 billion to the UK economy, along with over 230,000 jobs.
Airlines contribute enormously to the vibrancy of the UK economy bringing a direct contribution to GDP of £5.2 billion and an overall contribution of £10.9 billion, when the effects of the supply chain and workforce are added.
BALPA is calling for the Government to deliver its package of support to help our airlines though this crisis and protect the multitude of other industries that are indirectly reliant on aviation.
The Government must recognise that global trade and economic recovery will be severely impacted if our world leading aviation industry is allowed to falter, while its competitors are propped up by their governments.
BALPA General Secretary Brian Strutton said:
“Before coronavirus the UK aviation industry was world leading. But now aviation workers are facing a Tsunami of job losses.
“There is no more time for delay. The UK Government should follow the example set by others in Europe and around the world, recognise that aviation is vital to the UK economy and keep to the promise made by the Chancellor on 17 March to help airlines.
“Without swift action, UK aviation will fall behind our global competitors and it simply won’t be there to aid recovery when the demand returns.
“Aviation will suffer, and so too will the industries that rely on aviation indirectly and our ability to trade on a global scale. That can only be bad for the UK economy.
“Around the world we are seeing other governments back their airlines and this will distort the global market place and leave the UK floundering.
“The Government should step in to preserve the future of our national airline industry and work with unions and airlines to prevent the loss of the tens of thousands of jobs that are on the line.
“With full Brexit looming at the end of this year it would be a disaster.”
Pilots union sends out a ‘Mayday’ distress call amidst tsunami of job cuts.
Release date: 01/05/2020The British Airline Pilots Association has issued a ‘Mayday’ distress call for the aviation industry as Ryanair becomes the latest airline to announce potential job cuts and predictions of more to come.
The announcement that 3000 jobs are on the line at Ryanair comes just days after British Airways announced it is also planning 12,000 redundancies.
The pilots’ union says enforced travel restrictions as a result of coronavirus are having a devastating impact on aviation and it is an emergency the Government can no longer ignore.
Before COVID-19 hit the UK aviation brought at least £22 billion to the UK economy, along with over 230,000 jobs.
Airlines contribute enormously to the vibrancy of the UK economy bringing a direct contribution to GDP of £5.2 billion and an overall contribution of £10.9 billion, when the effects of the supply chain and workforce are added.
BALPA is calling for the Government to deliver its package of support to help our airlines though this crisis and protect the multitude of other industries that are indirectly reliant on aviation.
The Government must recognise that global trade and economic recovery will be severely impacted if our world leading aviation industry is allowed to falter, while its competitors are propped up by their governments.
BALPA General Secretary Brian Strutton said:
“Before coronavirus the UK aviation industry was world leading. But now aviation workers are facing a Tsunami of job losses.
“There is no more time for delay. The UK Government should follow the example set by others in Europe and around the world, recognise that aviation is vital to the UK economy and keep to the promise made by the Chancellor on 17 March to help airlines.
“Without swift action, UK aviation will fall behind our global competitors and it simply won’t be there to aid recovery when the demand returns.
“Aviation will suffer, and so too will the industries that rely on aviation indirectly and our ability to trade on a global scale. That can only be bad for the UK economy.
“Around the world we are seeing other governments back their airlines and this will distort the global market place and leave the UK floundering.
“The Government should step in to preserve the future of our national airline industry and work with unions and airlines to prevent the loss of the tens of thousands of jobs that are on the line.
“With full Brexit looming at the end of this year it would be a disaster.”
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There seems to be a problem on here that many do not seem to grasp the severity of the problem. It is irrelevant the callous management style exercised at the present time. BA staff must be completely aware of the situation and to many it has not come as a surprise. As for personal abusive attacks on WW, that achieves nothing. How do those on here assume that thousands of staff doing nothing can be kept on the payroll until things get better. As for the last post 'call a strike' that is nonsense and the one before calling WW a psychopath should be removed. If threaders cannot contribute sensibly then say nothing. Peoples livelihoods are at stake here!
An adult discussion, exploring options such as unpaid leave/sabbaticals, temporary pay cuts, part time working etc would have been a good starting point, rather than pulling out a grenade straight away.
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BALPA can, through the individual CCs, urge all union members (regardless of airline) to align with a common goal. That wouldn't be secondary action but probably wouldn't be realistic in any case.
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There seems to be a problem on here that many do not seem to grasp the severity of the problem. It is irrelevant the callous management style exercised at the present time. BA staff must be completely aware of the situation and to many it has not come as a surprise. As for personal abusive attacks on WW, that achieves nothing. How do those on here assume that thousands of staff doing nothing can be kept on the payroll until things get better. As for the last post 'call a strike' that is nonsense and the one before calling WW a psychopath should be removed. If threaders cannot contribute sensibly then say nothing. Peoples livelihoods are at stake here!
^^^^^^^
Agree with this.
Controversial, moi?
I am retired from BA. I feel for everybody in the aviation world facing massive uncertainty and potentially redundancy.
Assume the company either take loans or government help to keep everybody employed. How does that work given the consensus seems to be it will be a year or more before the aviation industry recovers and the scale of the recovery itself is open to debate? The cost of maintaining everybody in full employment is just not viable for more than a few months.
WW has been referred to as a psychopath. He probably has high psycopathic traits but then that is what makes effective leaders. People with high psychopathic traits can make decisions based purely on facts and logic with emotion not playing the slightest part in decision making. He will not make a decisions because it would be nice to keep everybody employed but will make decisions which ensure IAG/BA survives and is as fit as can be to deal with this worldwide disaster.
It doesn't alter the fact that advantage is being taken of the situation to address the legacy issues which have been a rope around BA's neck for years. This is not the time or place to argue about those issues but the unions have defended them for years. The opportunity is now seen to take an axe to them.
The above is not any sort of defence but an observation from my knowledge and experience of BA and WW.
Good luck to everybody facing such an uncertain and troubling future.
Assume the company either take loans or government help to keep everybody employed. How does that work given the consensus seems to be it will be a year or more before the aviation industry recovers and the scale of the recovery itself is open to debate? The cost of maintaining everybody in full employment is just not viable for more than a few months.
WW has been referred to as a psychopath. He probably has high psycopathic traits but then that is what makes effective leaders. People with high psychopathic traits can make decisions based purely on facts and logic with emotion not playing the slightest part in decision making. He will not make a decisions because it would be nice to keep everybody employed but will make decisions which ensure IAG/BA survives and is as fit as can be to deal with this worldwide disaster.
It doesn't alter the fact that advantage is being taken of the situation to address the legacy issues which have been a rope around BA's neck for years. This is not the time or place to argue about those issues but the unions have defended them for years. The opportunity is now seen to take an axe to them.
The above is not any sort of defence but an observation from my knowledge and experience of BA and WW.
Good luck to everybody facing such an uncertain and troubling future.
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Employees often fail to grasp that the CEO has a list of priorities; The first is that 'The company must still be in business when the sun rises tomorrow.'.
The second is the stock-price
Third; The stock-holders.
Employees don't even come within the top 20. All the 'management-speak' about the employees being the company's greatest asset etc is pure BS.. In the eyes of a CEO, employees are a costly necessity, nothing more.
The second is the stock-price
Third; The stock-holders.
Employees don't even come within the top 20. All the 'management-speak' about the employees being the company's greatest asset etc is pure BS.. In the eyes of a CEO, employees are a costly necessity, nothing more.
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Just a point. Psychopaths making auto effective leaders is old codswallop. There do happen to be psychopaths in leadership positions but that is through their self desire. It doesn’t infer in reverse their effectiveness
Interpersonal: They’re manipulative, deceitful, and/or narcissistic.
Affective: They lack remorse, are callous, and may take pleasure in hurting others.
Lifestyle: They’re impulsive, may use illegal substances, and may have disregard for the consequences of their actions.
Antisocial: They are physically aggressive and may have a history of or tendency toward criminal behavior.
sorry massive thread drift...
Interpersonal: They’re manipulative, deceitful, and/or narcissistic.
Affective: They lack remorse, are callous, and may take pleasure in hurting others.
Lifestyle: They’re impulsive, may use illegal substances, and may have disregard for the consequences of their actions.
Antisocial: They are physically aggressive and may have a history of or tendency toward criminal behavior.
sorry massive thread drift...
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I have been VERY fortunate to have continued flying 'as normal' (although nothing is normal now!). Taxiing past rows of aeroplanes parked and sealed up at almost every airport in several countries and walking through empty terminals with everything closed and almost no lights on, some even becoming dusty after having been thriving terminals only a short while ago, is very, very, very sobering (and weird). If you haven't been able to see it, you probably don't really want to. This problem is much, much bigger than any one of your airlines, no matter how big they are. Best not to become lonely individualists bickering about what someone else might or might not be doing. A lot of pilots are going to be in very 'fragile' situations. Trying to understand each other and if possible support each other would be the most helpful way ahead.
I have been VERY fortunate to have continued flying 'as normal' (although nothing is normal now!). Taxiing past rows of aeroplanes parked and sealed up at almost every airport in several countries and walking through empty terminals with everything closed and almost no lights on, some even becoming dusty after having been thriving terminals only a short while ago, is very, very, very sobering (and weird). If you haven't been able to see it, you probably don't really want to. This problem is much, much bigger than any one of your airlines, no matter how big they are. Best not to become lonely individualists bickering about what someone else might or might not be doing. A lot of pilots are going to be in very 'fragile' situations. Trying to understand each other and if possible support each other would be the most helpful way ahead.
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There seems to be a problem on here that many do not seem to grasp the severity of the problem. It is irrelevant the callous management style exercised at the present time. BA staff must be completely aware of the situation and to many it has not come as a surprise. As for personal abusive attacks on WW, that achieves nothing. How do those on here assume that thousands of staff doing nothing can be kept on the payroll until things get better. As for the last post 'call a strike' that is nonsense and the one before calling WW a psychopath should be removed. If threaders cannot contribute sensibly then say nothing. Peoples livelihoods are at stake here!
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Yes it is legal. It's known informally within HR Departments as the "nuclear option" because whilst an organisation can do this, it does leave the organisation open to unfair dismissal claims.