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Old 25th Apr 2020, 22:07
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Flights inbound to LHR

Apparently there were 205 flights into LHR today. Where were they coming from? How many people disembarked? Were they checked for CV19? Were they freight flights (like the recent BA round trip to China)?
I believe 10 of these flights came from JFK.
What is going on?
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 22:19
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Nothing. Nothing is going on. No one is being checked on arrival.
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 22:56
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Originally Posted by Arfur Dent
Apparently there were 205 flights into LHR today.
No, there weren't.
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 23:32
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Passenger traffic is almost non existent, really. A fair few flights are operating, stuffed with cargo.
But passenger traffic has collapsed. One BA long haul flight to the US last week had one single passenger.
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Originally Posted by Arfur Dent
Apparently there were 205 flights into LHR today. Where were they coming from? How many people disembarked? Were they checked for CV19? Were they freight flights (like the recent BA round trip to China)?
I believe 10 of these flights came from JFK.
What is going on?
Where did you get those figures?

There are only a few passenger flights and they are almost empty. That being said some sort of check for those people disembarking would be in order, although I'd wager that there is not much that could be done short of mandatory quarantine.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 05:44
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Actually, just checked on the Heathrow arrivals site for today and there are nearly 100 inbound and that’s just up to 1300 approx. How many do you think there are then?
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 07:08
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Originally Posted by Arfur Dent
Actually, just checked on the Heathrow arrivals site for today and there are nearly 100 inbound and that’s just up to 1300 approx. How many do you think there are then?
Forgive me for asking but are you amalgamating the codeshares before coming up with that total..?

For example there are 5 arrivals due from Aberdeen all at 1235 local....
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 07:18
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Originally Posted by Arfur Dent
Actually, just checked on the Heathrow arrivals site for today and there are nearly 100 inbound and that’s just up to 1300 approx. How many do you think there are then?
Actually, there aren't.

If you look at the Heathrow arrivals or departures due on any given day, you will see many instances of multiple flight numbers with an identical arrival/departure time and the same origin/destination. The 166 arrivals currently showing for the remainder of today translate into fewer than 50 actual flights.

Google "codeshare" and you'll understand what that's all about.

It's been three weeks now since Heathrow saw as many as 100 arrivals in a day, let alone your figure of 205; yesterday's total was just 86 landings for the 24 hours.

Edit: Wiggy beat me to it while I was crunching some numbers
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 07:38
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Any flights with passengers are repatriation flights, and I assume they are not being checked at point of entry. Are these aircraft then taken out of use and deep cleaned?
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 07:59
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Any flights with passengers are repatriation flights, and I assume they are not being checked at point of entry. Are these aircraft then taken out of use and deep cleaned?
I'm not sure I'd class the continuing flights between LHR and Scotland or the Isle of Man as "repatriation".
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 08:02
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Attractive as it feels to be outraged at the absence of inbound screening, the science doesn’t support it as an effective prophylactic.

Yes, aircraft are being disinfected.
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Thanks. “Codeshare” explains a lot. Looks like incoming pax will be quarantined from now on though.
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
I'm not sure I'd class the continuing flights between LHR and Scotland or the Isle of Man as "repatriation".
The flights to Scotland could be for the repatriation of the SNP MPs.
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KG; Doesn't feel attractive to be outraged at all. Other sentiments are fare more attractive. However, we do need some clarification. QR operating throughout the world as though there was no pandemic & regularly in & out of LHR. Iran Air in & out as though there was no tomorrow. I mean, Iran, really ?

It does , however, feel attractive to suggest that there is more to this than we are told. Any allusion, though, is swiftly taken down. Look out, here come the conspiracy loons. I am tending, in lock-down, to move towards some of these theories when I see LHR allowing people to breeze in and out without a sneeze ( pardon the pun).

Dear mate of mine alluded to Governments not telling all in a letter, published in the DM. It was printed but heavily edited to remove the allusion. It was then followed by two lengthy articles in the same newspaper on the same subject . A meek suggestion by the UK Health Authority is that since Britain is in a high stage of infection in vast numbers, screen testing of LHR arrivals would have little or no effect. Blimey ! Repatriation flights (from Iran ?) . QR operating repatriation flights from Doha (really ?). And we were originally told that incubation was three weeks in asymptomatic carriers who would have no idea that they were infecting three other bods, each , in close proximity ! "Little or no effect " -eh ?

Arfur Dent is right to show concern. Those of us swaying towards other theories will be taken down or even go missing. Please, don't tell me I need to get out more !

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Old 26th Apr 2020, 10:21
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The flights to Scotland could be for the repatriation of the SNP MPs.
Or bringing back English second home owners.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 10:32
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We should have closed the borders many months ago but the UK Government did too little too late and played with 'herd immunity' ie doing nothing. Imperial College provided their calculations on 1 March suggesting unacceptable levels of death. Ignored. Represented about 21st March when there was a hasty volte face and a lock down. By the time we had got to that stage the number of infected people in the UK was already at its peak and closing the borders would have only reduced it by a fraction of 1%.....so they didnt. In addition the modelling of how many people would lock down (school attendances, number going out to work, transportation) massively underestimated compliance and with it the number of passengers inbound was less than expected

When the lockdown is eased there will need to be a much smaller pool of infected people and the 'hope' is that track and trace will keep R0 below 1 so it will continue to fall. People will die but it is a a balance between the economy and acts that cause death - not a decision I would want to have to make. At that stage any given influx of passengers has a greater effect. In addition track and trace only works if you can trace so if significant foreigners come in who have no fixed abode or dont speak english or dont use the app the house of cards falls.

It seems the exhortations of a number of people is now being heard and the UK Government will restrict and or control passengers from abroad at that time, bringing them in line with almost all other first world countries. New Zealand is the best model - several industrialists led the politicians, closed down early, total closure of borders (except permanent residents who are quarantined), track and trace so that the country is expected to eliminate SARS-CoV-2 within a month. It will then be able to remove all restrictions but will keep the borders closed until there is a vaccine.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 12:10
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Originally Posted by homonculus
We should have closed the borders many months ago.
That's easy given hindsight is 20/20 but given we are still only in April when did you think circumstances objectively demonstrated the need close the UK Borders?

Singapore, a country not exactly unaccustomed to handling these type of outbreaks, was letting people in with just the standard walk through temperature check as late as the first week in February...Looking at where I've been this year working and the various hoops I've had to jump through as this has escalated I'm not sure many places really started going What The * until mid Feb/early March...

But yes, HMGs response has been somewhat tardy...
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That's easy given hindsight is 20/20 but given we are still only in April when did you think circumstances objectively demonstrated the need close the UK Borders?

Singapore, a country not exactly unaccustomed to handling these type of outbreaks, was letting people in with just the standard walk through temperature check as late as the first week in February...Looking at where I've been this year working and the various hoops I've had to jump through as this has escalated I'm not sure many places really started going What The * until mid Feb/early March...

But yes, HMGs response has been somewhat tardy...
I would have said at latest 23rd March at midnight. The date of the start of the UK lockdown.
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I think Qatar Airways have done us a favour by returning vast numbers of UK citizens from Australia,New Zealand and elsewhere.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 14:43
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Heathrow website shows just 15 more arrivals for the rest of the day. Doesn't show 'pure freighters' obviously.
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