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Flights inbound to LHR

Old 26th Apr 2020, 16:54
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I expect quite a few of the arrivals are passenger aircraft carrying cargo but no people other than flight deck crew. They will show up as passenger flights as will be using the passenger call signs, it is simpler to do this rather than going through the overflight approval process etc for a new cargo callsign.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 18:13
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Indeed, lots of airlines are using the regular call signs, but operating as purely freighters using passenger jets, with cargo in the belly and some have approval to load cargo on the seats too. Loading cargo on economy seats is a hugely time consuming process taking 5-6 hours to unload/offload though. As opposed to the usual 1-2 hour cargo and/or passenger turns. But worth it I guess.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 23:31
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I do think we are being kept in the dark over some aspects of the flights. Last week my wife was on a repatriation flight from Terminal 2 LHR. Destination board showed one airport only for that flight as destination. Wife advises A/C full (320ish SLF). Over Germany SLF were advised of new destination. New destination was same Country but around 150miles away. In flight, FR24 suddenly showed 2 forward flight paths for the same aircraft - never seen that before. As soon as the flight landed (during roll out) it vanished from FR24. Doesn't exist if you search for it. Don't get me wrong, I am very grateful to the Governments concerned for arranging the flight, but it would seem to me we are not being told everything. On arrival, all SLF were placed in 2 weeks quarantine, but I hope my wife can get out tomorrow after 1 week, due to the serious situation with her family.
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 07:16
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Originally Posted by 3db View Post
I do think we are being kept in the dark over some aspects of the flights. Last week my wife was on a repatriation flight from Terminal 2 LHR. Destination board showed one airport only for that flight as destination. Wife advises A/C full (320ish SLF). Over Germany SLF were advised of new destination. New destination was same Country but around 150miles away. In flight, FR24 suddenly showed 2 forward flight paths for the same aircraft - never seen that before. As soon as the flight landed (during roll out) it vanished from FR24. Doesn't exist if you search for it.
Everyone loves a good conspiracy theory, and it's not unknown for flights to be missing from FR24.

But assuming you're referring to Lufthansa/Eurowings flights from LHR to FRA and DUS, every one that has operated in the last 10 days is clearly visible on FR24 landing at its intended destination.

What was the date and flight number of your wife's phantom flight ?
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 08:31
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Originally Posted by Kit Sanbumps KG View Post
Attractive as it feels to be outraged at the absence of inbound screening, the science doesn’t support it as an effective prophylactic.

Yes, aircraft are being disinfected.
Funny how "the science" does not support it" according to HMG yet say in Australia it's been implemented and rather successfully so. Oh western Australia is now opening up and has recorded very few deaths. Again UK seemed to lag behind.
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 08:39
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Originally Posted by nivsy View Post
Funny how "the science" does not support it" according to HMG yet say in Australia it's been implemented and rather successfully so.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc ?
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 11:07
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I wouldn't say conspiracy, just some information is being withheld. I don’t want to make the airline/flight public in case some “rule bending” is taking place that would make it more difficult in future for other SLF on similar routes. PM me if you want fuller details, which I will give in confidence. Also, I was following it on FR24 and it was present – just vanished on landing which is strange.
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 04:50
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In NZ everyone arriving into quarantine for 2 weeks, no exceptions; total deaths under 20, lowest person to person transmission rate. I read in the UK press there are still 10000 inbound arrivals per week and no checking. What a mess, but no point locking the stable door now, the horses have well and truly bolted. The UK is reporting 20000 deaths, but that is only the hospital deaths. If we had done that n NZ we'd be on 3. The majority were in nursing homes, and int the UK there have been around 14000 not recorded. I predict the figure will be more like 100000.

BTW, daily repatriation flights to the UK started last Friday, so 200 per day inbound for 10 days, operated by CX
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 05:26
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Originally Posted by 3db View Post
I wouldn't say conspiracy, just some information is being withheld. I don’t want to make the airline/flight public in case some “rule bending” is taking place that would make it more difficult in future for other SLF on similar routes. PM me if you want fuller details, which I will give in confidence. Also, I was following it on FR24 and it was present – just vanished on landing which is strange.
not strange at all. That usually just means it had dropped below the coverage of the FR24 receiver that was forwarding its position. Especially at odd hours a lot of FR24 receivers are disconnected or off. I have seen this phenomenon many many times.
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 08:18
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Originally Posted by 3db View Post
Also, I was following it on FR24 and it was present – just vanished on landing which is strange.
Contrary to popular belief apps such as Flightradar aren't all seeing, all knowing...

As goeasy says flights suddenly disappearing is not strange at all.....app coverage, especially at low altitude depends on the availability of local receiver coverage. For example we don't have many spotters in our part of the world so as a result at our locali'sh provincial airport it is quite a common to see a flight disappear off Flight radar as it descends through maybe 500-1000 feet and goes below the radio "horizon" of whoever the local spotter is who has their receiver switched on and connected that day.

In flight, FR24 suddenly showed 2 forward flight paths for the same aircraft - never seen that before.
For reasons that I think some have explained previously, on this thread or elsewhere, FR24s and some other tracking apps destination info and route depiction can be highly unreliable at the moment...nothing sinister, no conspiracy, just a consequence of the way some of the apps use historical info get some of their information and the fact that due to the disruption flights are not necessarily following their habitual routes.


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Old 28th Apr 2020, 12:59
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Originally Posted by 3db View Post
I wouldn't say conspiracy, just some information is being withheld. I don’t want to make the airline/flight public in case some “rule bending” is taking place that would make it more difficult in future for other SLF on similar routes. PM me if you want fuller details, which I will give in confidence. Also, I was following it on FR24 and it was present – just vanished on landing which is strange.
PM sent. Happy to share my findings with you.
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