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Old 9th May 2020, 17:06
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Old 9th May 2020, 17:55
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Delta won’t be happy if their share of VS is wiped out in any administration process.
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Old 9th May 2020, 21:15
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Delta won’t be happy if their share of VS is wiped out in any administration process.
I don't think they care right now, they are too consumed by trying to save their own skin.
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Old 9th May 2020, 23:04
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Originally Posted by fruitbat View Post
Delta won’t be happy if their share of VS is wiped out in any administration process.

If they are worried they should put their hands in their very deep pockets.

As suggested I don't think they care right now, they have bigger things to worry about
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Old 10th May 2020, 04:44
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Originally Posted by fruitbat View Post
Delta won’t be happy if their share of VS is wiped out in any administration process.
Delta won't care about their 49%, their primary interest will be in their own survival. Digging out a minority-owned subsidiary won't be top of their list, or second, or third, or fourth....

VA (just VA, I am going to use initials like most humans), is not a major player and therefore won't be HMG's primary occupation, no matter which website site owner flies in the left-hand seat.

I am not saying that I agree with any of the above, but HMG simply does not have the latitude to engage in secondary players. PAYE etc income will be immaterial and probably doesn't matter if BA or VA writes the monthly cheque to HMC&E. There's only so many people and planes that will be flying this time next month/year/decade, and it doesn't matter what the paint scheme is - it does matter if HMG is pissing good money after bad....

Then there is NATS, most of whom's income come from Trans-Atlantic routes, again, no matter what the paint scheme.


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Old 10th May 2020, 06:30
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Originally Posted by Banana4321 View Post
- it does matter if HMG is pissing good money after bad....
HMG are pissing away billions already to save the already very old and frail.

So why not spend a bit more on carriers that the Government have single handedly driven to bankruptcy.


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Old 10th May 2020, 06:54
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The Telegraph are reporting Greybull, formerly of Monarch fame, are one of the interested parties in VS. They see VS as “viable, but in need of restructuring”
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Old 10th May 2020, 07:06
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Originally Posted by LGW Vulture View Post
HMG are pissing away billions already to save the already very old and frail.
And what if those old and frail were your relatives?
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Old 10th May 2020, 07:44
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The Telegraph are reporting Greybull, formerly of Monarch fame, are one of the interested parties in VS. They see VS as “viable, but in need of restructuring”
The kiss of death, anything this lot touch ends in disaster.
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Old 10th May 2020, 07:52
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The kiss of death, anything this lot touch ends in disaster.
monach, comet, reiley’s, morrisons local, milked british steel...

Not venture capitalists, but vulture.
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Old 10th May 2020, 09:20
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Originally Posted by LGW Vulture View Post

So why not spend a bit more on carriers that the Government have single handedly driven to bankruptcy.
That airlines are going bust in the Government's fault is a popular narrative around these parts.

But the reality is there's a collapse in demand, even if airlines could fly normally, passengers don't want to fly - read yesterday something along the lines of average internal flight in US has 17 passengers, and internationals have 29.

There are real questions about the way VS is structured, and the impact that has on it being a viable company - relying on huge amounts of debt to run a sometimes profitable / often loss making business leads to there being no breathing room when catastrophe strikes.

And that leveraged corporate structure is ultimately down to VS' management and shareholders

Aware airlines going bust has a massive personal impact on the people who work for them, and being specialised makes many people have made significant investments in their careers
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Old 10th May 2020, 09:38
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Greybull didnt exactly do a great job at Monarch, Delta had money from the U.S Government and are not allowed to use that for VA. Perhaps VA's announcement of having the administrators on standby or advising, is to show the Government they have done everything they can. Insolvency laws are to have proposed changes put through parliament next week, which might benefit VA.

It will depend on the cash in the bank, daily cash flow for how long they have left. The new CEO is a good guy with a finance background. Hopefully VA have done enough to get a loan from the government with the recent cut backs and restructure the business model for the future, perhaps diversifying in cargo. Many third party suppliers and their employees would be affected if they went.

VA have some really good people, all are working hard to help the company as much as they can. I wish the best outcome for everybody at VA, to get through this and continue to compete against BA.
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Old 10th May 2020, 09:57
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Better to go bust than let Redbull come in and steal everything, including your pension.
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Old 10th May 2020, 11:22
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“VA (just VA, I am going to use initials like most humans), is not a major player and therefore won't be HMG's primary occupation, no matter which website site owner flies in the left-hand seat.”

Banana4321

if you really must use an abbreviation the perhaps the correct IATA one which is VS. Any professional in the airline industry would know that. VA is the code for Virgin Australia discussed elsewhere.

Also, I think you will find that the insinuation about the website owner is out of date.
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Old 10th May 2020, 11:41
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Originally Posted by BBK View Post
if you really must use an abbreviation the perhaps the correct IATA one which is VS. Any professional in the airline industry would know that. VA is the code for Virgin Australia discussed elsewhere.
You might want to keep an eye on the Southwest 737 thread, in case anyone should dare to use SW as an abbreviation for that airline.
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Old 10th May 2020, 11:42
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Looks like Virgin Atlantic are preparing for insolvency according to this news article. The 14 day quarantine announcement is a disaster for UK airlines no doubt I guess we have to face up to company failures, what a bad time to be an airline pilot. Good luck to VS let's hope Branson can come up with some emergency funding.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...funds-11985678
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Old 10th May 2020, 15:23
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Ohhh dear- This company doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. Q- If VS goes into administration what happens to the LHR slots as I believe they are mortgaged ?

​​​​​​https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/...ybull-capital/
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Old 10th May 2020, 17:42
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Originally Posted by Chris2303 View Post
And what if those old and frail were your relatives?
And don't forget ,,,, the old and frail do spend a lot of $$$$ on vacation travel which of course includes air. And another positive, they rarely have to be taken off the aircraft because of misbehavior.
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Old 10th May 2020, 17:55
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And don't forget ,,,, the old and frail do spend a lot of $$$$ on vacation travel which of course includes air. And another positive, they rarely have to be taken off the aircraft because of misbehavior.
My Father is 85 and frail and I didnt make such a comment with a blase approach. However, I have been on enough flights diverted to other airports because of seniors becoming ill. Never have I been diverted due to misbehaviour. And on average, I fly 80 sectors per year worldwide.
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Old 10th May 2020, 20:26
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Originally Posted by LGW Vulture View Post
My Father is 85 and frail and I didnt make such a comment with a blase approach. However, I have been on enough flights diverted to other airports because of seniors becoming ill. Never have I been diverted due to misbehaviour. And on average, I fly 80 sectors per year worldwide.
80 sectors a year... hmmm flights diverted to other airports because of seniors hmmmm Strange I don't remember many but perhaps the news did not report them.
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