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There Goes Transatlantic Air Travel.

Old 15th Mar 2020, 10:28
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As a frequent shipper of small items to the USA, I assume that most airmail goes in the hold of passenger flights. As BA and the UK have no dedicated transatlantic freight / package aircraft does this mean UK Royal Mail will have to be diverted to their competitors FedEx , UPS, DHL etc.
They already do that.
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 10:40
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Originally Posted by one11 View Post
As a frequent shipper of small items to the USA, I assume that most airmail goes in the hold of passenger flights. As BA and the UK have no dedicated transatlantic freight / package aircraft does this mean UK Royal Mail will have to be diverted to their competitors FedEx , UPS, DHL etc.
Still capacity, but cargo airlines are making the most of this. Expect prices to go up.
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 11:19
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Originally Posted by Alpine Flyer View Post
Without government help Europe will be without a significant airline industry in half a year. Short work technically is not an airline subsidy but an employee subsidy as money lost through short-time work is covered by the unemployment insurance (reasoning that this is still cheaper than real unemployment).
One may easily also suspect an economic-political background to the decison to halt North Atlantic passenger traffic. There may well be a few leaders thinking "We are the greatest" and hope for a stronger comeback of the national airline industry, losing some "nasty" competitors in the no-fly period.
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 17:34
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Just a thought but why not go via Canada or the Caribbean
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 18:12
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Originally Posted by arem View Post
Just a thought but why not go via Canada or the Caribbean
Because at US immigration you will be asked if you have been in Europe in the last 14 days. If you say you have you will be deported and if you say you have not and they find out you have you are in big trouble.
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 18:22
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Irish Foreign Minister & Deputy Prime Minister (Tánaiste) Simon Coveneny TD, on RTÉ’s main early evening news today has just told all Irish in Spain to return before midnight on Thursday as that’s as far as the government will guarantee flights from the country will be available.

There was a suggestion that flight restrictions might go wider.

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Old 15th Mar 2020, 22:22
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From today's White House briefing:


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Old 15th Mar 2020, 23:52
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Originally Posted by Airbubba View Post
From today's White House briefing:

Of course they are and always will be. All we should expect s that they are employed in steps based on data and deactivated the same way, To me it was a throw away line of communication to a question from a nervous public. Just like talking in neutral without committing to anything at the time
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Old 16th Mar 2020, 04:20
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Originally Posted by Airbubba View Post
From a thread on the Middle East forum:





Service suspensions

EK denies the rumor of the Tuesday shutdown:

The UAE has stopped issuing visas & visa on arrival. They have a list of countries whose citizens are still allowed to enter the UAE provided they have a temperature & a swab scan.
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Old 17th Mar 2020, 07:12
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After 9/11 I recall an interesting article on the lack of contrails across the Atlantic causing a rise in temperatures and increased damage to the ozone layer, at the time it was considered unique and possibly coincidence. I wonder what data will be gained once we’re through this situation.
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Old 17th Mar 2020, 07:28
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Day 1 of Trump's no fly to the USA.

This is what FR24 reports transatlantic traffic as at 07:21 today. Just about everything flying east (no westbound traffic)


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Old 17th Mar 2020, 08:22
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This is normal at that time of the day. Check again in the afternoon...
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Old 18th Mar 2020, 03:46
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BA canx my flt from LAX on 25th but booked me in for flight a few days earlier. Was quite a shock when I got the email been assured flt was operating.
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Old 18th Mar 2020, 08:27
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I just looked on Planefinder and put in a filter to show Heathrow Inbound only. Across the Atlantic as a whole, there is a BA flight approaching the West coast of Ireland with just under 600 miles to run (BA226). On the other side of the ocean, BA192 is over Newfoundland with almost 3,000 miles to go. In between: Nothing! Half a dozen others have arrived or are still arriving at Heathrow but I was looking only at what is over the Atlantic.
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Old 18th Mar 2020, 10:55
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If I've counted correctly, there are 53 arrivals at Heathrow today from the US, and 9 from Canada. Not the normal schedule by any means, but more than the handful you suggest KelvinD.
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Old 18th Mar 2020, 11:25
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
I just looked on Planefinder and put in a filter to show Heathrow Inbound only. Across the Atlantic as a whole, there is a BA flight approaching the West coast of Ireland with just under 600 miles to run (BA226). On the other side of the ocean, BA192 is over Newfoundland with almost 3,000 miles to go. In between: Nothing! Half a dozen others have arrived or are still arriving at Heathrow but I was looking only at what is over the Atlantic.
There is no radar coverage above the Atlantic.
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Old 18th Mar 2020, 12:21
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Originally Posted by ReturningVector View Post
There is no radar coverage above the Atlantic.
Doesn’t the feed come from ADS-B ?
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Old 18th Mar 2020, 12:40
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Originally Posted by DCDriver View Post
Doesn’t the feed come from ADS-B ?
correct, and no ADS-B receivers either ADS-B coverage FlightAware
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Old 18th Mar 2020, 13:36
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Nonsense! If I look at the Atlantic now, without any filters, I can see virtual flocks across the centre of the Atlantic. EG; Norwegian DI7043 approx half way between Gatwick & Miami and BA027 from LHR to MIA. While the tracks in those positions may not be ADS-B plots, they are extrapolated from flights that were being plotted on either side of the Atlantic until they went out of range of ground based ADS-B receivers. The tracks are usually not too far off the mark.
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Old 18th Mar 2020, 13:59
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Discussion of the trends to our industry in respect of Transatlantic traffic is fine here. Please let's not have detailed blow by blow of each flight and FR24 okay? We don't want a needlessly cluttered thread.
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