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Old 14th Mar 2020, 18:44
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Norway to close ports, airports from Monday to stop coronavirus: PM

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...+World+News%29
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 18:48
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Originally Posted by Livesinafield View Post
Any idea how people will get back from the USA to Europe and the UK??
You have the answer on the post just above yours. There are still US citizens that need to go back home and EU citizens that also need to go back ,it t is not a flying ban it is a ( specific) passengers ban..
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 18:57
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Originally Posted by towrope View Post
I see a United B788 on Flightaware on the way from Paris CDG to San Francisco and landing in about 30min...
There have been quite a few flights from Europe to US today. I assume the only people on them are US citizens returning home.This includes European carriers as well as US ones - as I type KLM have 2 flights in the air from AMS - JFK, one to LAX and one to ORD. AFR have 4 flights from Paris to JFK plus one to Washington. There may well be others.
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 19:41
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Originally Posted by Longtimer View Post

Norway to close ports, airports from Monday to stop coronavirus: PM

According to the van driver, the UAE will make a similar announcement shortly.
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 19:47
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Originally Posted by lederhosen View Post
Austria has closed ski resorts from Sunday for the rest of the season and you cannot get much more outdoors than that. Having said that the first person I actually know, who tested positive and has had symptoms, picked it up last weekend on a ski trip with family friends, one of whom apparently got it on a business trip.
Skiing itself is probably quite safe except inside a full gondola and if leaving a bit of space in the lift queue, but the Apres-Ski is not and most of the infections in one resort happened via a single barkeeper. That area is now under quarantine (but foreigners are allowed to leave and are reported to their home authorities).
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 19:49
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Originally Posted by Denti View Post
Lufty talked very openly about applying for short work (Kurzarbeit) grants from the government already weeks ago. Of course they want to be the first to apply for government grants, they are still seen by many in the government as the nationalized local airline, so they will get pretty much everything they want until someone complains to the EU commission.
Without government help Europe will be without a significant airline industry in half a year. Short work technically is not an airline subsidy but an employee subsidy as money lost through short-time work is covered by the unemployment insurance (reasoning that this is still cheaper than real unemployment).
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 19:52
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Originally Posted by Suzeman View Post
There have been quite a few flights from Europe to US today. I assume the only people on them are US citizens returning home.This includes European carriers as well as US ones - as I type KLM have 2 flights in the air from AMS - JFK, one to LAX and one to ORD. AFR have 4 flights from Paris to JFK plus one to Washington. There may well be others.
There are also areas outside Schengen which are not subject to the ban. Austrian is keeping the VIE-ORD route alive as its only US service as there is still some passenger volume (plus good connections from ORD).

Good statement by ECA president Jon Horne on ECA's website.
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 20:46
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Air Mail ???

As a frequent shipper of small items to the USA, I assume that most airmail goes in the hold of passenger flights. As BA and the UK have no dedicated transatlantic freight / package aircraft does this mean UK Royal Mail will have to be diverted to their competitors FedEx , UPS, DHL etc.
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 21:05
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Originally Posted by Airbubba View Post
According to the van driver, the UAE will make a similar announcement shortly.
UAE concerns me, any link?

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Old 14th Mar 2020, 21:19
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Originally Posted by one11 View Post
As a frequent shipper of small items to the USA, I assume that most airmail goes in the hold of passenger flights. As BA and the UK have no dedicated transatlantic freight / package aircraft does this mean UK Royal Mail will have to be diverted to their competitors FedEx , UPS, DHL etc.
The company I work for regularly airfreights materials by the palette load from Europe to USA. Our agent told us yesterday to expect up to 4 weeks of delay due to lack of Transatlantic capacity! It coincides with a disruption in sea freight because empty shipping containers are stuck in China.
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 21:19
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This might not be popular but travel bans should be enacted everywhere including domestic. Those who say ďitís already in your countryĒ are short sighted. There is no reason to increase concentration and saturation. If everyone just hunkered down for 2-3 weeks we might get over the hump. Cheers to all, stay safe and carry on.
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 21:31
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Originally Posted by jewitts View Post
The company I work for regularly airfreights materials by the palette load from Europe to USA. Our agent told us yesterday to expect up to 4 weeks of delay due to lack of Transatlantic capacity! It coincides with a disruption in sea freight because empty shipping containers are stuck in China.
Lufty have delayed retirement of their MD-11Fs to carry freight to the states, and say they will fly empty pax widebodies to carry freight, presumably A350s seeing as they have the largest freight capacity of any LH pax aircraft.
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 21:48
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Originally Posted by golfyankeesierra View Post
UAE concerns me, any link?
Not yet but my source seems to think that there will be announcements about airport shutdowns starting Monday or Tuesday for several countries.

His earlier tip on the Kuwait shutdown was right on the money:

Kuwait Halts all Pax Flights Until Further Notice
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 00:55
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Originally Posted by Airbubba View Post
Not yet but my source seems to think that there will be announcements about airport shutdowns starting Monday or Tuesday for several countries.
From a thread on the Middle East forum:

Originally Posted by Airbubba View Post
The UAE is about to announce a shutdown of its airports shortly. Stay tuned...
Originally Posted by The Donne View Post
Iím hearing the same thing. Two week total shut down from Tuesday.
Service suspensions

EK denies the rumor of the Tuesday shutdown:



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Old 15th Mar 2020, 01:25
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Britain and Ireland to be added to Trumps ban list 0400 Tuesday.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51891662

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Old 15th Mar 2020, 04:34
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Originally Posted by DieselOx View Post
This is a supremely stupid action. The virus is already here.

Whatever, they'll figure that out in a couple weeks.

Anyone questioning why they did this? Sheer incompetence, nothing else.
Says the man from the state which has produced a large portion of US fatalities. Have you stocked up on toilet paper?
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 07:12
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Originally Posted by ThreeThreeMike View Post
Says the man from the state which has produced a large portion of US fatalities. Have you stocked up on toilet paper?
Iíll give you an appropriate standing ovation. 👏🏻
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 08:16
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AirFrance had 5 flight CDG-JFK and vv on Saturday. Sunday we have 4 flights with cancellation of AF22/23. Monday onward we are down to one daily flight AF006/007 for the next 30 days +. We're all in this together - let's hope for the best and plan for an extended disruption.
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 09:25
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From Reuters, 14th March 2020

American Airlines Inc said Saturday it plans to cut 75% of its international flights through May 6 and ground nearly all its widebody fleet, as airlines respond to the global collapse in travel demand due to the coronavirus pandemic. [...] American’s sweeping cuts include suspending nearly all long-haul international flights to Asia, Australia, Europe, New Zealand and South America.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2110YQ

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Old 15th Mar 2020, 10:24
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For the crews that operate into the USA bringing back USA Citizens only, are they not out of hours to return ? I know all the tricks & extentions etc but to see a ORD turn-around on my roster woukld have me wishing for the good ole days. Now the roster might read ' LGW-ORD. Self isolation in airport hotel. Pos return 30th April'. Couldn't even arrange the crew party in my room anymore !
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