UK to Leave EASA

[ATC Watcher]

Originally Posted by Luc Lion

The deal in question is the Brexit withdrawal agreement which was signed on January 24th 2020 and became effective on February 1st 2020.
It's kind of history now. ;-)

Maybe I missed something but as I understood it the withdrawal agreement is just a framework. The meat on the bones have still to be negotiated during the current year and if there is no agreement it is back to a so called "hard Brexit" next February , and in that case teh socila benefits and special status during the transition for UK residents will end. Or did I get that wrong ?

[1daneman]

Fat bus driver-
"you think we will let you" Explains why we are not in eu.

[flyinkiwi]

Originally Posted by infrequentflyer789

Actually New Zealand's trade with UK cratered a few decades ago because the UK joined the EU and it's external trade barriers. Our EU membership caused New Zealand 7% or so GDP loss and lead to recession there. It has taken a long time for them to find footholds in new markets in Asia. Will NZ forgive and forget the pain we caused them by joining the EU - we'll have to wait and see.

The more appropriate question is, how much can NZ screw out of the UK now that they don't have the EU to hide behind and NZ's solid trade connections in other markets they aren't utterly reliant on UK trade? Boris better bring his chequebook.

[Luc Lion]

Originally Posted by ATC Watcher

Maybe I missed something but as I understood it the withdrawal agreement is just a framework. The meat on the bones have still to be negotiated during the current year and if there is no agreement it is back to a so called "hard Brexit" next February , and in that case teh socila benefits and special status during the transition for UK residents will end. Or did I get that wrong ?

I am afraid you are mostly wrong.

The purpose of the withdrawal agreement is to safeguard some interests deemed critical by one or the other of the 2 parties, using a "grand-fathering" approach.
These points are settled independently of the existence or absence of a future bilateral deal between Great Britain and Europe.
The text of the agreement is here: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...12019W/TXT(02)

I suggest you particularly read the part II which concerns the citizens' rights.
Basically it says that the rights that were granted to UK citizens residing in continental Europe and of European citizens residing in UK are grandfathered after a registration process.
These rights encompass residency rights, work permit rights, employment rights, recognition of qualifications and social security rights.
The other parts concern economical interests, customs, licencing rights, Ireland and some other points.

I repeat : this agreement safeguards a number of things INDEPENDENTLY of the outcome of the deal presently negotiated between UK and Europe.
So they are not conditioned by the deal outcome.

[Contact Approach]

Can’t wait for the U.K. to find Itself with no airlines and no regulatory body in the not too distant future.

[ATC Watcher]

Luc Lion :

this agreement safeguards a number of things INDEPENDENTLY of the outcome of the deal presently negotiated between UK and Europe.
So they are not conditioned by the deal outcome.

I did not realized that. Thanks for the info , I stand corrected ..

[airsound]

Luc - that's a fascinating document https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...12019W/TXT(02) and I thank you for linking it.

I struggled through some of it - but I didn't detect any reference to EASA. Does it have any relevance to the effects of the UK's leaving EASA?

airsound

[Luc Lion]

Airsound, I don't think that this document has any relevance to the consequences of UK leaving EASA.
And the only part that I can see as somewhat linked to pilots' worries if the chapter 3 "PROFESSIONAL QUALIFICATIONS".
However, this chapter is essentially making reference to other texts and it is almost indecipherable to me.

[alfaman]

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Originally Posted by ATC Watcher

Luc Lion :
I did not realized that. Thanks for the info , I stand corrected ..

Thanks from me too: I would say though, that rests on the UK acting in good faith, surely, which I'm not that confident about. Lets hope that good sense prevails.

[covec]

Originally Posted by alfaman

Thanks from me too: I would say though, that rests on the UK acting in good faith, surely, which I'm not that confident about. Lets hope that good sense prevails.

Applies to the EU too: Good Faith.

Let's "Hope" indeed though.

[notlikethat]

Another lifetime licence to renew. Perhaps IMC privileges back on ATPL.

[Longtimer]

With a 1735-page PDF document, EASA has published its complete set of "Easy Access Rules for Flight Crews" in accordance with regulation (EU) No 1178/2011. EASA eRules will be a comprehensive access system for the drafting, sharing and storing of rules. It will also act as the agency’s single source for all aviation safety rules applicable to any European airspace users.

View the full article

[SpannerInTheWerks]

Maybe I've missed something over the past 50 years, but ON BALANCE isn't/recently 'wasn't' the situation with Europe regarding both aviation and travel much better than the proposed regression back to the 1970s?

[alfaman]

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Originally Posted by covec

Applies to the EU too: Good Faith.

Let's "Hope" indeed though.

Agree, although my understanding is that good faith is part of continental European legal culture, whereas it's not the case in the UK.

[Sepp]

Originally Posted by Longtimer

With a 1735-page PDF document, EASA has published its complete set of "Easy Access Rules for Flight Crews" in accordance with regulation (EU) No 1178/2011. EASA eRules will be a comprehensive access system for the drafting, sharing and storing of rules. It will also act as the agency’s single source for all aviation safety rules applicable to any European airspace users.

View the full article

I get a 404 error from that link. 1735 pages of easy access info? Sums up EASA perfectly Come back, JAR-1, all is forgiven!!

[Airbubba]

Originally Posted by Sepp

I get a 404 error from that link. 1735 pages of easy access info? Sums up EASA perfectly Come back, JAR-1, all is forgiven!!

See if this link works:

https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/def...or_Aircrew.pdf

Wow, I think I'll stick with the FAA.

[torvalds]

Originally Posted by Sepp

I get a 404 error from that link. 1735 pages of easy access info? Sums up EASA perfectly Come back, JAR-1, all is forgiven!!

Calm down dear!

That link points to an American website and not to EASA.

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[Longtimer]

Originally Posted by Sepp

I get a 404 error from that link. 1735 pages of easy access info? Sums up EASA perfectly Come back, JAR-1, all is forgiven!!

https://www.easa.europa.eu/document-...eu-no-11782011

[Sepp]

Originally Posted by Longtimer

https://www.easa.europa.eu/document-...eu-no-11782011

Thank you!

[Contact Approach]

Given the current challenges facing aviation I can't really see this being a positive whatsoever.