A380 'Hovering'
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Speaking as a passenger whose first reaction to that video was, "cool!", what is the problem everyone else seems to understand? Is it the strain on the landing gear? Is it the fact that they attempted a landing at all in these conditions? Is there something else about the technique that's wrong?
Classically the technique is incorrect - however I have been reliably informed that the runway at LHR is considered narrow for an A380, and employing the correct technique in these challenging gusty conditions can increase the chance of striking the outermost engines on the ground. So it appears the 'safest' thing to do in conditions like these is to plant it on the deck and let physics take care of the rest.
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From Flight Operations Briefing Notes ...”the objectives of the lateral control of the aircraft during the flare are to land in the centreline, and to minimise the liars on the main landing gear” Hmmm. 🤔
Well, he may have complied with the first part but as to the second...
Well, he may have complied with the first part but as to the second...
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First, fully manual landing, possibly using autothrust but equally possibly not.
Technique down to flare was good, then it turned to worms.
Start the flare and then kick off the crab, Try to touchdown pointing down the runway (Thats when its at its longest!!!).
Steer with rudder until nosewheel steering becomes effective.
The runway at LHR is not narrow for an A380, it is 60m wide! Where do you hear this drivel?
Technique down to flare was good, then it turned to worms.
Start the flare and then kick off the crab, Try to touchdown pointing down the runway (Thats when its at its longest!!!).
Steer with rudder until nosewheel steering becomes effective.
The runway at LHR is not narrow for an A380, it is 60m wide! Where do you hear this drivel?
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Is there an argument for future aircraft of A-380 size, having an under carriage which can be offset in a similar way to a B-52 for a crosswind landing?
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Cool...you have a x-wind landing clip filming from the front and you say its gonna be different with you...?
Besides the fact i respect your post and your piloting techniques dont forget that Camera angles can do very nice tricks depending the perspective.
totally agree with fantom and beardy.
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Disappointed in some of the comments on here.
It may have been a poor landing, but there's no need to imply that the PF should "face the chop" as a result.
In this career of professional like-minded people, I'm sure he will review this, learn from it, recognise this situation in the future, and respond to it better.
TVM,
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It may have been a poor landing, but there's no need to imply that the PF should "face the chop" as a result.
In this career of professional like-minded people, I'm sure he will review this, learn from it, recognise this situation in the future, and respond to it better.
TVM,
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After having done this many times in the Whale, up to 48 kts direct cross, including even with #1 or #4 shutdown, .... e.g., at KEF, ....both manually and with A/L, ...it would be my advice that one needs to know both the actual wind and gust environment, as well as the instantaneous drift rate and accelerations, and fuel state, and alternates state, and other factors too, ....so as to be able to make a reliable judgement about either pilot technique, use of rudder and lateral control, or flare technique. So... Perhaps an assessment might be best left to the crew's chief pilot to review all those kinds of parameters, as well as the DFDR data, before making any judgement, other than being thankful that in the end it apparently turned out to be a successful landing, with the aircraft appearing to be undamaged? Have we stopped giving the flight crews who were in the seat, at least the benefit of the doubt?
