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UTair Boeing 737 crash landed in USK

Old 9th Feb 2020, 10:27
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UTair Boeing 737 crash landed in USK

UTair Boeing 737 crash landed in Usinsk, Russia. The photos show the plane turned across the runway with MLG broken. 94 onboard. No fatalities, one injured.

https://ria.ru/20200209/1564454632.html

https://usinsk.online/news/samolet-u...tkuyu-posadku/
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Old 9th Feb 2020, 10:53
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Can we avoid the "Boeing has more crashes than Airbus" argument? That's already being done to death on the Pegasus thread.

Looks like very nasty conditions. Only one injury. Good result.
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Old 9th Feb 2020, 11:30
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A video from the cabin is available at VKontakte. Can't post the link though as it's required to be logged in on that site. Rumors are they touched down before the piano keys.
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Old 9th Feb 2020, 11:44
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Video from inside:
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Ouch....

No break?
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Old 9th Feb 2020, 12:21
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Looks to me as if he crosses the fence an then immediately touches down.
Did he actually make it to the rwy?
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"Bit late on the Roundout Hoskins" as they used to say in Flight.

Not a lot of flare visible on the video. Glad the outcome seems to have been OK wrt to injuries etc.

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-700 and he slammed it on.
Question is why? Just a sh... landing or a technical issue?
We have had several incidents with very heavy elevators during flare.
Comes as a big surprise and have the potential to ruin your day.

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Old 9th Feb 2020, 12:37
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That video makes it look like they “touched” down in the undershoot. Before the piano keys but also before the paved surface.

The start of the paved surface may explain the separation of the main landing gear.
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It's a 737-524, VQ-BPS.
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More details along with photos on AVHERALD Accident: UTAir B735 in Usinsk on Feb 9th 2020, gear collapse and runway excursion on landing
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Originally Posted by Liffy 1M
It's a 737-524, VQ-BPS.
Even stranger. One of the easiest aircraft to land.
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Old 9th Feb 2020, 15:03
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Good to see that vodka and cigarettes made it

Luckily no fire this time (Aeroflot Flight 1492 fire was presumably caused by the main gear rapturing the fuel tanks). Hmm.. actually it seems there is fuel leaking!

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Old 9th Feb 2020, 15:06
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Runways

In order to reuse the aircraft, it is quite desirable to confine landing to the runway proper. Going off the far end or landing short ends up adding a lot of polishing to get the plane back on the line.

Yikes.

A -500 that stops in seconds without all round things, don't expect that to be repaired, it is going to end up being a container for borsch. Pity.

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It may be worth making the transition from the grass into the pavement a bit less abrupt, possibly a gentle slope of tarmac underneath the turf leading to the beginning of the runway..

Ideally, pilots would land in the touchdown zone like they're supposed to but this isn't the first time that landing gear and fuselage have parted company because the paved surface was a couple of inches higher than the surrounding area and it won't be the last.
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Originally Posted by krismiler
It may be worth making the transition from the grass into the pavement a bit less abrupt, possibly a gentle slope of tarmac underneath the turf leading to the beginning of the runway..

Ideally, pilots would land in the touchdown zone like they're supposed to but this isn't the first time that landing gear and fuselage have parted company because the paved surface was a couple of inches higher than the surrounding area and it won't be the last.
What is your solution to this problem for EMAS equipped runways?
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I'll roll the dice:
1) ILS/GS NOTAMed
2) APPR lights NOTAMed
3) Visual cues degraded by snow cover
4) RA inop/deactivated?

Looking at the video, I thought they were higher than it turns out they were, until the last second. Short trees outside look "low and far away." The only cue they are low is the obviously high angular speed.
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Originally Posted by piperpa46
What is your solution to this problem for EMAS equipped runways?
I don't think EMAS solves this problem, does it? I would expect the same or even worse result.
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Somewhere here there's a thread explaining that EMAS sits on top of concrete, which itself is at the same level as the rest of the runway. Unless it's different outside the U.S.
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The circumstances aren’t dissimilar to Air Canada flight AC624 except in that case the outcome was already set well before they reached the runway. Any idea what percentage of runways are EMAS equipped ?

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