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Pegasus accident in SAW; just reported

Old 14th Feb 2020, 11:02
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Not even W/V measuring units along a RWY can be trusted. I remember a long discussion with a MET chap (whose position was on a mayor airport) who noted bizarre wind values, even on quiet days. He found out the units could pick up vortices from departing A/C's wake.
Normally the MET observers would discard the readings as "spurious" signals, but later those values were auto-inserted in reports like ATIS.
When reporting that to his superiors he was told to shut up because in that time the MET service wanted to go fully automatic w/o any human intervention anymore.... and said that if the readings were like they were, the pilots needed to be warned for that......
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Old 15th Feb 2020, 19:11
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"then maybe one should take a minute to self critic and reread how to land a 737...." - relevant to any particular post, or just cast to the wind?
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Old 15th Feb 2020, 19:16
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Vilas, you got your private license yet?
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Old 15th Feb 2020, 19:28
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Another PEGASUS mishap.

Pegasus EVAC DUS
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Plenty of bags, trolleys...
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Old 16th Feb 2020, 09:28
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https://simpleflying.com/pegasus-737...rf-evacuation/



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Old 16th Feb 2020, 09:29
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Originally Posted by PJ2
I've been waiting for your other shoe to drop by way of explaining to others why it's wrong. If so, please say why. We fly 800s with the package and I can't find anything in the FCTM, the FCOM or the QRH performance section except data on the pitch-roll angles at which various extremities of the airframe are at risk or not depending upon whether an SFP package is installed.

The only information I am able to find online is from non-Boeing sites which in itself points to another issue regarding getting information for operators from Boeing, but I'll leave that aside.

Here is what B737.org has to say, as linked to previously:
Because the SFP was designed to do just that, using the features posted in this thread a couple of times now.

As the name sais, it increases performance on short fields, for takeoffs and landings.

If you calculate the incident at SAW with the BOEING OPT the difference of operational ldg. distance between the two Aircraft options is about 10% or 250m.

So the statement that SFP does not affect landperf is simply wrong, and thats what i said.


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Old 16th Feb 2020, 22:13
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Thanks for the comeback KRH, appreciated. - PJ2
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Old 17th Feb 2020, 05:36
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I'm not a 737 pilot, but aren't the Flaps supposed to be down during an evacuation? To allow pax to use the overwing exits?
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Old 17th Feb 2020, 09:25
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Originally Posted by KingAir1978
I'm not a 737 pilot, but aren't the Flaps supposed to be down during an evacuation? To allow pax to use the overwing exits?
Yes, part of the evacuation checklist is to set flaps to 40, before the engine start levers are set to ‘cut-off’ if the situation allows. But that presupposes an orderly stop, still on the undercarriage, engines running, and a still functioning cockpit crew. Not to mention the flap lever still connected to the flaps.

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Old 18th Feb 2020, 03:46
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Originally Posted by KingAir1978
I'm not a 737 pilot, but aren't the Flaps supposed to be down during an evacuation? To allow pax to use the overwing exits?
it does, however this looks more like a controlled disembarkation using the Left Hand slides only.
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Old 18th Feb 2020, 07:33
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Originally Posted by Jump Complete
Not to mention the flap lever still connected to the flaps.
Or not, as the case may be.



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Old 18th Feb 2020, 09:20
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
Or not, as the case may be.

Well, quite. Donít suppose putting the engine start levers to cut off would achieve much, either.
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Old 24th Feb 2020, 19:57
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News on Turkish TV saying the captain has been arrested. It seems he is being charged for causing death by negligence.

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Old 24th Feb 2020, 22:32
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Turkey arrests captain of crashed Pegasus flight in Istanbul: Anadolu
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Old 25th Feb 2020, 19:37
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Hurriyet Daily News has more info.
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Old 26th Feb 2020, 16:35
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https://www.dailysabah.com/turkey/tu...l-mishaps/news
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Old 27th Feb 2020, 16:52
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Vilas, you got your private license yet?
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Well if you got yours why don't you answer to what I stated.

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Old 13th Mar 2020, 00:56
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Lost in translation?

Reuters reporting that according to the preliminary report, the Dutch co-pilot did not understand guidance in Turkish and failed to brake in time:

According to a preliminary report seen by Reuters on Thursday, the control tower initially told the pilot to hold off from landing due to harsh weather.But it said the Dutch co-pilot did not understand the Turkish guidance. It said the tower then allowed the plane to land, but that the pilots did not brake in a timely manner.
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 09:08
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Originally Posted by txl
Reuters reporting that according to the preliminary report, the Dutch co-pilot did not understand guidance in Turkish and failed to brake in time:
Careful ,. Newspaper account trying to shift part of the blame to the foreign copilot. . Will would need to check carefully the recordings but first the captain was Turkish national , so he should have understood if anything was said in Turkish , second , ATC does not "allow" to land, just clear, meaning the approach path runway is clear . The decision to land is the PIC not ATC..as to braking "in time" or not , we'll see. .
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