Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Rumours & News
Reload this Page >

BA cancel all flights to and from China due to Coronavirus

Rumours & News Reporting Points that may affect our jobs or lives as professional pilots. Also, items that may be of interest to professional pilots.

BA cancel all flights to and from China due to Coronavirus

Old 29th Jan 2020, 23:52
  #41 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Under the radar, over the rainbow
Posts: 788
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by rjtjrt
Very good info. However wearing a mask has some real value, as it makes it less easy to touch mouth/nose, and if a visor mask, eyes.
Yes, quite right. At least it serves as a reminder, as someone just said here.
OldnGrounded is online now  
Old 29th Jan 2020, 23:58
  #42 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Under the radar, over the rainbow
Posts: 788
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by rudolf
I can confirm that 6 hours at Shanghai airport and the subsequent 4 hours to Hanoi in an N95 mask was chuffing uncomfortable.
Oh, yeah, that was clearly not a fun ten hours. I've never had to wear one for that long and I hope I never need to.
OldnGrounded is online now  
Old 30th Jan 2020, 00:12
  #43 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: I'm somewhere where I don't know where I am.
Posts: 114
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by OldnGrounded
Oh, yeah, that was clearly not a fun ten hours. I've never had to wear one for that long and I hope I never need to.
I brought replacement filters and intend to wear the mask along with my specs whenever Iím transiting through airports etc. Vietnam has escaped apart from a few isolated cases and Singapore should be low risk now that the travel restrictions are in place.
rudolf is offline  
Old 30th Jan 2020, 01:50
  #44 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Asia
Posts: 1,534
Received 47 Likes on 29 Posts
Many pax in Changi transit area masked up already, including Qantas cabin crew though not the pilots. In Asia due to air pollution and cultural norms when sick, the wearing of masks in public isn’t unusual at all and it was quite normal to see people walking around wearing them before this crisis hit.

I tried one yesterday for the first time, hot and uncomfortable they also makes your glasses steam up.
krismiler is offline  
Old 30th Jan 2020, 01:54
  #45 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Japan
Posts: 1,941
Received 141 Likes on 84 Posts
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1....919985v1.full

Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory. Latest research paper quote:
We further compared the characteristics of the donors and their ACE2 expressing patterns. No association was detected between the ACE2-expressing cell number and the age or smoking status of donors. Of note, the 2 male donors have a higher ACE2-expressing cell ratio than all other 6 female donors (1.66% vs. 0.41% of all cells, P value=0.07, Mann Whitney Test). In addition, the distribution of ACE2 is also more widespread in male donors than females: at least 5 different types of cells in male lung express this receptor, while only 2~4 types of cells in female lung express the receptor. This result is highly consistent with the epidemic investigation showing that most of the confirmed 2019-nCov infected patients were men (30 vs. 11, by Jan 2, 2020).

We also noticed that the only Asian donor (male) has a much higher ACE2-expressing cell ratio than white and African American donors (2.50% vs. 0.47% of all cells). This might explain the observation that the new Coronavirus pandemic and previous SARS-Cov pandemic are concentrated in the Asian area.
jolihokistix is online now  
Old 30th Jan 2020, 02:18
  #46 (permalink)  
fdr
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: 3rd Rock, #29B
Posts: 2,951
Received 856 Likes on 256 Posts
As at JAN 29 9PM EST, JHU has indicated:

1. global confirmed cases at 7783, fatalities at 170.
2. All fatalities to date are in China.
3. About 7 days ago, total confirmed cases were roughly 1000.

Not surprising that the Chinese are building dedicated hospitals at record speeds. There is a strong suggestion that the care is a major factor in the outcome. How long does it take to train ICU staff?



https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1....919985v1.full

Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory. Latest research paper quote:
We further compared the characteristics of the donors and their ACE2 expressing patterns. No association was detected between the ACE2-expressing cell number and the age or smoking status of donors. Of note, the 2 male donors have a higher ACE2-expressing cell ratio than all other 6 female donors (1.66% vs. 0.41% of all cells, P value=0.07, Mann Whitney Test). In addition, the distribution of ACE2 is also more widespread in male donors than females: at least 5 different types of cells in male lung express this receptor, while only 2~4 types of cells in female lung express the receptor. This result is highly consistent with the epidemic investigation showing that most of the confirmed 2019-nCov infected patients were men (30 vs. 11, by Jan 2, 2020).

We also noticed that the only Asian donor (male) has a much higher ACE2-expressing cell ratio than white and African American donors (2.50% vs. 0.47% of all cells). This might explain the observation that the new Coronavirus pandemic and previous SARS-Cov pandemic are concentrated in the Asian area.
That is sober reading, and appears in line with the statistical spread to date.
fdr is offline  
Old 30th Jan 2020, 02:29
  #47 (permalink)  
Psychophysiological entity
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Tweet Rob_Benham Famous author. Well, slightly famous.
Age: 84
Posts: 3,270
Received 26 Likes on 16 Posts
An N95 with proper use, with eye protection,
Sealed eye protection.

and with proper hand de-sanitising,
I've never been too sure about this. Virus laden droplet. I'd imagine the 50 nm entity making its way into the blood stream as one rubbed away.

and sterile technique
Time and time again this will save lives, but it takes skilled knowledge and good discipline. Every time I visit a hospital, I seen staff and patients alike making mistake after mistake.

May I ask our posters to look at this site. Kate stares out of that sepia print and tugs at my heartstrings. A very brave young lady - just weeks before my grandfather, who'd survived Flanders, also killed by the flue which opens the throat and lungs to bacteria.

You know the vast numbers in 1918 - 20 If only we'd had the resources we have now. But the issue is, it's not the medicine in the viral stage, but the cunning - and this time around we're seeing plenty of that.


What I don't know is the deaths caused by the ensuing secondary infections. These are usually treatable by antibiotics providing too much damage hasn't been done by the virus. It's not just the sore surfaces letting bugs in, but a modification of the immune system as well. Pneumonia is still a dangerous by-product.

https://heatonhistorygroup.org/2016/...gg-remembered/
Loose rivets is offline  
Old 30th Jan 2020, 03:33
  #48 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: London
Posts: 229
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
BA flights for tomorrow seem to be operating both the Beijing and Shanghai..... at the moment according to BAs ops systems
flyerguy is offline  
Old 30th Jan 2020, 07:59
  #49 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: UK
Posts: 144
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
The rest of the cancellations will be going in this morning
Diverskii is offline  
Old 30th Jan 2020, 08:11
  #50 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Europe
Posts: 1,674
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Meanwhile in the antipodes, a connection informs that Australian carrier Qantas last updated crew two days ago.
An email from the "union" supporting the company position says the risk of transmission is low and that it is difficult to spread to person to person...
Thanks to the QF guys sending this...
According to the union..
Today the WHO rolling like swine in excrement will reluctantly likely concede that this meets the criteria for a pandemic.


The virus is not easily transmitted from person to person; unlike SARS.
And meanwhile;

Advice from Flight Operations Management is that pilots should consult their Base Manager if;
  • they have school age children who would be denied school attendance if they come into contact with persons who have been to China, and/or
  • they have an underlying medical condition that would be adversely affected by possible exposure.
Your Base Manager will then advise you of your options.
That is some form of representation
Rated De is offline  
Old 30th Jan 2020, 08:31
  #51 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: inv
Posts: 348
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 1 Post
Elal is stopping flights till 25 march

https://www.timesofisrael.com/el-al-...medium=twitter
scr1 is online now  
Old 30th Jan 2020, 08:44
  #52 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 724
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Everyone is running from/after this virus. The real plague is humanity really.
fox niner is offline  
Old 30th Jan 2020, 09:14
  #53 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Birmingham
Age: 60
Posts: 49
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
SYD had the only direct flights into Oz from Wuhan. These are now suspended but on the Arrivals page there are still scheduled flights from Guangzou, Hong Kong, Chengdu and Shanghai.

Surely if they now say there are asymptomatic carriers, shouldn't they be routed through Christmas Island?
Diesel_10 is offline  
Old 30th Jan 2020, 09:23
  #54 (permalink)  
Psychophysiological entity
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Tweet Rob_Benham Famous author. Well, slightly famous.
Age: 84
Posts: 3,270
Received 26 Likes on 16 Posts
When one compares the flu-related death starting at the end of WW1, humanity is doing very well. This is the first 'universal' response since EBOLA. We did well there and are responding well now. It's just the lack of knowledge that's holding people back.

It's been known for decades that viruses enter via the eye and its a short route to the brain-roof of mouth nervous system which is not protected as well as the brain.

The blood-brain barrier (BBB) provides significant protection against microbial invasion of the brain. However, the BBB is not impenetrable, and mechanisms by which viruses breach it are becoming clearer.6 May 2012
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3367119/
Loose rivets is offline  
Old 30th Jan 2020, 09:39
  #55 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: Oztrailia
Posts: 2,991
Received 14 Likes on 10 Posts
Any schools in Australia not allowing kids of crew that have been to HK or China to attend school? Does anyone know?
ACMS is offline  
Old 30th Jan 2020, 11:27
  #56 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: The Welsh Riviera
Posts: 144
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Question....

I have just disembarked from an internal flight in Thailand. The crew had been ordered to wear surgical masks. Probably 80-90% of the pax were wearing an assortment of masks ranging from basic surgical to almost full on Stormtrooper.

If the cabin had dumped at FL390 and they needed to don the O2, either over the mask or removing it first, how successful.would this have been?
McDoo is offline  
Old 30th Jan 2020, 13:54
  #57 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: 900m
Posts: 0
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Well if a couple of hundred pax pose a virus problem - try a cruise ship - 7,000 folks not landing in the old town (for that is what Cittavecchia means) tonight.

Fortunately virus experts from Rome now on board.
Twitter is offline  
Old 30th Jan 2020, 16:53
  #58 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Rockytop, Tennessee, USA
Posts: 5,898
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
From the staff clinic today at an airline in Dubai.


Airbubba is offline  
Old 30th Jan 2020, 18:17
  #59 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Under the radar, over the rainbow
Posts: 788
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Airbubba
From the staff clinic today at an airline in Dubai.
Oh, dear. And, the other day, in Washington State, they transferred their first 2019-ncov patient in an ISOPOD, put him in an isolation ward and sent in a robot to treat him.



More than a little bit over the top for an illness that appears, so far, to be serious in relatively few cases and truly dangerous mostly for patients who don't get good supportive care. In any event, the disease appears to have a reproduction number of around three (it's early in the game for analysis) and an average latency period of about nine days. That means it will likely spread fast enough and widely enough that the world won't even come close to having the facilities to provide that level of isolation -- and, if the virus is transmissible before symptoms are evident, there would be no way to even guess which humans to try to isolate.
OldnGrounded is online now  
Old 30th Jan 2020, 22:48
  #60 (permalink)  
Psychophysiological entity
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Tweet Rob_Benham Famous author. Well, slightly famous.
Age: 84
Posts: 3,270
Received 26 Likes on 16 Posts
You land. You go into isolation. You have one positive patient in the group. Now what? A new 14 days? Where would it end?

What kills you?
The second patient, a 69-year-old man, also had acute respiratory distress syndrome.

He was attached to an artificial lung or ECMO (extra-corporeal membrane oxygenation) machine but this wasn't enough.

He died of severe pneumonia and septic shock when his blood pressure collapsed.
Isn't this bacteriological? i.e. a secondary infection. If so, it's a fast transition.
Loose rivets is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.