Flybe in trouble ?
if Flybe could find a way to run a jet LHR - ABZ and got their pricing right vis a vis BA......
Trying to compete with a bus (gate closes 20 minutes earlier) a turboprop (add 30 minutes) and tiny overhead bins (wait for your carry on at the other end, another 20 minutes) is not going to get the average oil man on your side.
But most of us would love a viable alternative to the worlds favourite airline.
Trying to compete with a bus (gate closes 20 minutes earlier) a turboprop (add 30 minutes) and tiny overhead bins (wait for your carry on at the other end, another 20 minutes) is not going to get the average oil man on your side.
But most of us would love a viable alternative to the worlds favourite airline.
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Have you not realised that they are putting up APD for everyone else to finance this or at least that is what I'm reading between the lines on the news reports online tonight.
The government have not done a good thing.
It appears that if the Credit Card Companies shook off the Jedi mind trick from the Consortium that the company was liquid and funded.
I'm still of the opinion that the Consortium put up or brought no money worth speaking about with them and were just working with FlyBE's own working capital for the last 11 months.
We'll never know for certain.
The government have not done a good thing.
It appears that if the Credit Card Companies shook off the Jedi mind trick from the Consortium that the company was liquid and funded.
I'm still of the opinion that the Consortium put up or brought no money worth speaking about with them and were just working with FlyBE's own working capital for the last 11 months.
We'll never know for certain.
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if Flybe could find a way to run a jet LHR - ABZ and got their pricing right vis a vis BA......
Trying to compete with a bus (gate closes 20 minutes earlier) a turboprop (add 30 minutes) and tiny overhead bins (wait for your carry on at the other end, another 20 minutes) is not going to get the average oil man on your side.
But most of us would love a viable alternative to the worlds favourite airline.
Trying to compete with a bus (gate closes 20 minutes earlier) a turboprop (add 30 minutes) and tiny overhead bins (wait for your carry on at the other end, another 20 minutes) is not going to get the average oil man on your side.
But most of us would love a viable alternative to the worlds favourite airline.
Little Red had big planes and very poor timings for business travellers. Made no effort to differentiate.
And they competed with Easy for non business travellers prepared to accept crap timings. Easy have gone.
flybe has Embraers and good timings currently: as I understand it they cannot find a way to use the slots effectively with jets.
And they competed with Easy for non business travellers prepared to accept crap timings. Easy have gone.
flybe has Embraers and good timings currently: as I understand it they cannot find a way to use the slots effectively with jets.
I'l reserve judgement until more details of the deal emerge.
My instinct is that the gov't should let them go bust & then take a role in re-creating the socially important bits (basically UK regional domestic). FlyBE have been their own worst enemy to a degree - their online reviews are shocking.
For sure, APD should be scrapped for UK domestic flights. It is absurd that rail is subsidised whilst air is taxed. The pitiful history of the UK domestic air operator sector shows that it needs government help, not a £26 per return pax millstone around its neck!
My instinct is that the gov't should let them go bust & then take a role in re-creating the socially important bits (basically UK regional domestic). FlyBE have been their own worst enemy to a degree - their online reviews are shocking.
For sure, APD should be scrapped for UK domestic flights. It is absurd that rail is subsidised whilst air is taxed. The pitiful history of the UK domestic air operator sector shows that it needs government help, not a £26 per return pax millstone around its neck!
CO2 emissions from the Q400 are better per passenger km than a car with only one person in, and only marginally more than diesel trains, and it's usually a shorter distance, but facts seem to be somewhat lacking in some of these arguments.
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According to one rant on the news, it seems airliners have suddenly taken over from diesel cars as causing the worst pollution.
CO2 emissions from the Q400 are better per passenger km than a car with only one person in, and only marginally more than diesel trains, and it's usually a shorter distance, but facts seem to be somewhat lacking in some of these arguments.
CO2 emissions from the Q400 are better per passenger km than a car with only one person in, and only marginally more than diesel trains, and it's usually a shorter distance, but facts seem to be somewhat lacking in some of these arguments.
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I wish flybe the very best.
Back in the 90s it was a nightmare getting home to Belfast from Inverness: either Logan from Glasgow or BA from LHR. And both expensive. Christmas was a very special nightmare 🤣 Remember the cops pulling me over on the A9 to tell me that they would probably be shutting the snow gates...stupidly perhaps, with family onboard I pushed on to Glasgow. RAF aircrew & CSRO: invincible 🤣👌 (OK. Stupid).
Now flybe go direct INS BFS. Grand!
Back in the 90s it was a nightmare getting home to Belfast from Inverness: either Logan from Glasgow or BA from LHR. And both expensive. Christmas was a very special nightmare 🤣 Remember the cops pulling me over on the A9 to tell me that they would probably be shutting the snow gates...stupidly perhaps, with family onboard I pushed on to Glasgow. RAF aircrew & CSRO: invincible 🤣👌 (OK. Stupid).
Now flybe go direct INS BFS. Grand!
..and there lies the problem...
Low cost airlines have radically changed the travelling public's idea of what a "proper" air fare should be.
If fares had risen in line with inflation since, say, 1985, fares would generally be around 30-40% higher than they are now. but Joe Public expects to get to the Costas or even Paris or Amsterdam for under £100 rtn.
Too many airlines chasing too few passengers prepared to pay the going rate, and so they are all in a race to the bottom, and sooner or later, they will all perish...
Flybe is just another airline going down that route....
its not nice writing this, but its the uncomfortable truth...
Low cost airlines have radically changed the travelling public's idea of what a "proper" air fare should be.
If fares had risen in line with inflation since, say, 1985, fares would generally be around 30-40% higher than they are now. but Joe Public expects to get to the Costas or even Paris or Amsterdam for under £100 rtn.
Too many airlines chasing too few passengers prepared to pay the going rate, and so they are all in a race to the bottom, and sooner or later, they will all perish...
Flybe is just another airline going down that route....
its not nice writing this, but its the uncomfortable truth...
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As an aside, if APD is all about the environment, then surely domestic flights, where the car and train are an option, are the very ones it should apply to? On the other hand, if it’s just a money grab, like insurance taxes and stamp duty, then maybe politicians should be more honest about the motives behind some of the taxes that are legitimised by the green lobby, but do nothing to change behaviour.
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Can anyone point to anything that has ever been done with the revenue generated by APD to protect the environment?
At the very best, the only environmental impact is that it may possibly stop a few people from flying. But you can bet those aircraft flew anyway.
At the very best, the only environmental impact is that it may possibly stop a few people from flying. But you can bet those aircraft flew anyway.
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In how many of it's routes do Flybe face competition?
They are the only carrier on EDI-BHX, they should be able to make money there as even with check-in etc. it's slightly quicker than the train and than driving, and it's a long and tedious drive. It's also easier for many people to get to EDI than Edinburgh or Haymarket stations for the first flight especially at a weekend.
They are the only carrier on EDI-BHX, they should be able to make money there as even with check-in etc. it's slightly quicker than the train and than driving, and it's a long and tedious drive. It's also easier for many people to get to EDI than Edinburgh or Haymarket stations for the first flight especially at a weekend.
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Its far more efficient to transport 70 people on a Q400 45 min sector than to have 70 people drive it, Like most things Tax's including APD is just that tax, a revenue generator for the treasury, serves no other purpose, when you look at it its pretty outrageous Flybe and other airlines are having to find that sort of money when aviation is challenging enough.
I'm all for protecting the environment and climate when we can, but this country is going nuts, if we continue with this path we are going to disadvantage ourselves from everyone else around the world, we will destroy our own infrastructure and economy.
BHX is one of Flybe's most profitable base's load factors there are very high and they face little to no competition
I'm all for protecting the environment and climate when we can, but this country is going nuts, if we continue with this path we are going to disadvantage ourselves from everyone else around the world, we will destroy our own infrastructure and economy.
They are the only carrier on EDI-BHX
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If the service they operate is so vital surely they could charge more. If people are not willing to pay the extra to make a route viable one has to wonder how vital a route is.
I’m afraid I’m more subscribing to Mr Walsh his view regarding the government help provided to keep FlyBE a going concern.
I’m afraid I’m more subscribing to Mr Walsh his view regarding the government help provided to keep FlyBE a going concern.